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Chess anti-cheat now relies on looking at your moves and spotting mistakes. Not even grandmasters play tactically perfect games so this works pretty well for f

Chess anti-cheat now relies on looking at your moves and spotting mistakes. Not even grandmasters play tactically perfect games so this works pretty well for finding cheaters. In theory FPS games could do the same to detect aimbotting.

harry8 5mo ago
and will have to do something along those lines for online play.
hootz 5mo ago
I still don't understand why we aren't using server-side gameplay analysis for cheat detection. You can have some obvious inhuman-level gameplay heuristics for real time kicks/timeouts during matches and post-game analysis by AI to flag for review or outright automatically ban gameplay that deviates from normal high-level players.
- not_a9 5mo ago
  Games very much are using server-side statistics analysis for cheat detection. Valve made a presentation about it and Epic has an API for feeding game state data to ML anticheat for aimbot detection (game-specific and in addition to their existing anticheat measures) It’s just that it doesn’t work.
  - hootz 5mo ago
    But why doesn't it work?
    - not_a9 5mo ago
      Either everyone on Earth who’s working on this has a skill issue (which is probably hubris?) or there’s not enough differing humanized enough aimbot from human aim (note: Valve manages to screw up even here, with cheaters in Premier basically rage aimbotting these days IIRC) In addition, there’s not much these things can do against subtler stuff like ESP.
simonh 5mo ago
So now we're using an AI cheat snoop to detect the behaviours of AIs, which means the cheat AI will need to learn to avoid the tell-tale patterns the AI cheat snoop looks for and avoid them, which mean the AI cheat snoop will need to....
- kelseydh 5mo ago
  It won't close the skill gap bump, but the more an AI aimbot degrades itself to mimic a human to beat cheat detection the less advantage it will give to the players using it. It is scary how nuanced the cheating tools already here. Here is a video promoting cheat software explaining how nuanced their aimbot system can be made to mimic real play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrBohlkHMjU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrBohlkHMjU

harry8 5mo ago

and will have to do something along those lines for online play.

hootz 5mo ago

I still don't understand why we aren't using server-side gameplay analysis for cheat detection. You can have some obvious inhuman-level gameplay heuristics for real time kicks/timeouts during matches and post-game analysis by AI to flag for review or outright automatically ban gameplay that deviates from normal high-level players.

not_a9 5mo ago
Games very much are using server-side statistics analysis for cheat detection. Valve made a presentation about it and Epic has an API for feeding game state data to ML anticheat for aimbot detection (game-specific and in addition to their existing anticheat measures) It’s just that it doesn’t work.
- hootz 5mo ago
  But why doesn't it work?
  - not_a9 5mo ago
    Either everyone on Earth who’s working on this has a skill issue (which is probably hubris?) or there’s not enough differing humanized enough aimbot from human aim (note: Valve manages to screw up even here, with cheaters in Premier basically rage aimbotting these days IIRC) In addition, there’s not much these things can do against subtler stuff like ESP.

simonh 5mo ago

So now we're using an AI cheat snoop to detect the behaviours of AIs, which means the cheat AI will need to learn to avoid the tell-tale patterns the AI cheat snoop looks for and avoid them, which mean the AI cheat snoop will need to....

kelseydh 5mo ago
It won't close the skill gap bump, but the more an AI aimbot degrades itself to mimic a human to beat cheat detection the less advantage it will give to the players using it. It is scary how nuanced the cheating tools already here. Here is a video promoting cheat software explaining how nuanced their aimbot system can be made to mimic real play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrBohlkHMjU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrBohlkHMjU