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> Then when Claude is down for an hour, they get visibly angry and don't remember how to do anything pre-Claude :) The drug is scary when everyone is depending

by nicce 5mo ago

> Then when Claude is down for an hour, they get visibly angry and don't remember how to do anything pre-Claude :) The drug is scary when everyone is depending on it. I wonder what is future like.

antihero 5mo ago
Our company started monitoring our Claude usage so I've started coding personal stuff manually again and it's...really fun!
BoredPositron 5mo ago
same was said about electricity.
safety1st 5mo ago
Seems far less scary to me than, say, building an electrical grid in a cold climate, where if it fails for a few days people start to die. Oh wait...
- coldtea 5mo ago
  It's the same, on steroids.
- M95D 5mo ago
  Why would they die in cold climate? I would expect them to die in hot climate (no AC - heat stroke, no refrigerator - food poisoning), not the cold where they would have wood/gas heating.
  - InitialLastName 5mo ago
    In lots of places that get very cold, even if the heat source is combustion, electricity is still used for ignition, control and distribution through the house.
- jappgar 5mo ago
  which is more likely when they start vibe-coding grid managers
- never_inline 5mo ago
  Electricity is very predictable and not under control of one or two nations.
tyre 5mo ago
Same as anything else. It’ll go down sometimes, people will take a break and chat, then it will come back up. Like Slack or GitHub or AWS or whatever. It’s almost always a net positive to wait vs do it yourself.
- lukan 5mo ago
  I think the scenario was more of, if really everyone depends on claude, then better nothing critical(medical software, aviation, traffic controll ..) breaks while claude is offline.
  - jebus989 5mo ago
    The good thing is we've learned this already from cloud. When one AWS region is degraded we all failover to other regions, and then other cloud providers, right? ...right?
  - andrewl-hn 5mo ago
    At least some of the projects in these industries now specify strict no-AI-use policies in contracts. I participate in a few of these, and it’s becoming a bit of a pain, because all dev tool vendors insist on adding AI features, and if there’s no way to turn them off completely we have to migrate away. However, the temptation of productivity gains are strong, and few of the customers look into relaxing these rules.
- vrganj 5mo ago
  I'm more scared at everyone outsourcing their thinking to a private, for-profit company. What could possibly go wrong.
  - dns_snek 5mo ago
    Thinking, yes, but also secrets, access and effective control of important services in every country and company worldwide, centralized in the US (or anywhere else) where the NSA can take the driver's seat at any time. "AI" is the ultimate sleeper agent.
M95D 5mo ago
Imagine what happens if computers stop working* and you have to go back to pen and paper for a few days. * ransomware attack, fire in the server room, database HDD crash, car accident takes out the internet connection, ...
ValentineC 5mo ago
> The drug is scary when everyone is depending on it. I wonder what is future like. I can't wait for a Hollywood blockbuster that'll pretty much be science non-fiction.
puchatek 5mo ago
The future is perpetually dealing with the fallout from all the vibe coding as the pool of people who'd have a shot at fixing it gets smaller and smaller. Shitty will be the new normal.
- ElFitz 5mo ago
  > Shitty will be the new normal. I’ve heard the same from the best devs, and some who thought themselves to be the best, I’ve known long before LLMs were ever a thing. I’m sure others heard the same when JavaScript and Python became near ubiquitous. When PHP emerged. When C supplanted Fortran and COBOL. When these two took over from Assembly. When punch cards went the way of the dodo. There’s always someone for whom shitty is becoming the new normal. If that makes it a rule, what do we make of that rule?
  - freetanga 5mo ago
    Maybe it’s a process. Many of the transitions you mentioned did bring shitty apps (not all of them, the ones replacing tech for tech were mostly ok, the ones democratizing dev did come with a quality drop), but eventually Darwinism will take effect and trim the long tail. Coding per se is not hard. Proper engineering is. I do hope this change brings a change in focus (people train in algorithms, efficiency, solid development patterns) but I am afraid it won’t be the case.
    - ElFitz 5mo ago
      The risk is people who incidentally get into software engineering through using agents probably won’t be aware of any of that. And probably wouldn’t care even if they did. And for most software they’ll create, single user, perhaps even single use, it’ll be fine. And for those who might care about these things, they’ll probably just be facing constant pressure to deliver more, faster, perhaps with less. One of the issue about literacy in algorithms, data modeling, efficiency, development patterns, systems designs… is that people either aren’t aware of them (and in the best case scenario reinvent the wheel), don’t care about them, or feel they aren’t given the time to invest in learning them (or worse, might be penalized for it).
dheera 5mo ago
> wonder what is future like Probably "don't do anything to upset AI companies or you will effectively become a handicapped person" Not that different from life in China: "don't do anything to upset Tencent and AliPay or you will become an outcast" Or life in the US if you're a content creator: "don't do anything to upset Meta or Youtube or you will not be able to pay your rent" The future: ToS basically becomes law, and you will be stripped of your own second brain if you violate it or say anything they deem "sensitive"
oulipo2 5mo ago
Full of security holes
mercanlIl 5mo ago
I think there are some pretty good ways to understand it now. When the electricity goes out, (most) people get similarly upset. No electricity means no internet, and all of a sudden everything that people had planed to do can’t be done until the power returns.
FeteCommuniste 5mo ago
Our future: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNo5fs1iDrs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNo5fs1iDrs
KellyCriterion 5mo ago
Opus 4.7 is really expensive, I had to throw in several times 5 bucks the last days just to get a larger task finished.
agrippanux 5mo ago
There is a fintech startup that surrounds me at my co-working place. They literally stop working and shoot the shit with each other if Claude has a hiccup. Yesterday one asked another "how much of this deck did Claude do"? and the response was "50%". "What 50% did you do?" => "I chose the font and colors".

by nicce 5mo ago

> Then when Claude is down for an hour, they get visibly angry and don't remember how to do anything pre-Claude :) The drug is scary when everyone is depending on it. I wonder what is future like.

antihero 5mo ago

Our company started monitoring our Claude usage so I've started coding personal stuff manually again and it's...really fun!

BoredPositron 5mo ago

same was said about electricity.

safety1st 5mo ago

Seems far less scary to me than, say, building an electrical grid in a cold climate, where if it fails for a few days people start to die. Oh wait...

coldtea 5mo ago
It's the same, on steroids.
M95D 5mo ago
Why would they die in cold climate? I would expect them to die in hot climate (no AC - heat stroke, no refrigerator - food poisoning), not the cold where they would have wood/gas heating.
- InitialLastName 5mo ago
  In lots of places that get very cold, even if the heat source is combustion, electricity is still used for ignition, control and distribution through the house.
jappgar 5mo ago
which is more likely when they start vibe-coding grid managers
never_inline 5mo ago
Electricity is very predictable and not under control of one or two nations.

tyre 5mo ago

Same as anything else. It’ll go down sometimes, people will take a break and chat, then it will come back up. Like Slack or GitHub or AWS or whatever. It’s almost always a net positive to wait vs do it yourself.

lukan 5mo ago
I think the scenario was more of, if really everyone depends on claude, then better nothing critical(medical software, aviation, traffic controll ..) breaks while claude is offline.
- jebus989 5mo ago
  The good thing is we've learned this already from cloud. When one AWS region is degraded we all failover to other regions, and then other cloud providers, right? ...right?
- andrewl-hn 5mo ago
  At least some of the projects in these industries now specify strict no-AI-use policies in contracts. I participate in a few of these, and it’s becoming a bit of a pain, because all dev tool vendors insist on adding AI features, and if there’s no way to turn them off completely we have to migrate away. However, the temptation of productivity gains are strong, and few of the customers look into relaxing these rules.
vrganj 5mo ago
I'm more scared at everyone outsourcing their thinking to a private, for-profit company. What could possibly go wrong.
- dns_snek 5mo ago
  Thinking, yes, but also secrets, access and effective control of important services in every country and company worldwide, centralized in the US (or anywhere else) where the NSA can take the driver's seat at any time. "AI" is the ultimate sleeper agent.

M95D 5mo ago

Imagine what happens if computers stop working* and you have to go back to pen and paper for a few days. * ransomware attack, fire in the server room, database HDD crash, car accident takes out the internet connection, ...

ValentineC 5mo ago

> The drug is scary when everyone is depending on it. I wonder what is future like. I can't wait for a Hollywood blockbuster that'll pretty much be science non-fiction.

puchatek 5mo ago

The future is perpetually dealing with the fallout from all the vibe coding as the pool of people who'd have a shot at fixing it gets smaller and smaller. Shitty will be the new normal.

ElFitz 5mo ago
> Shitty will be the new normal. I’ve heard the same from the best devs, and some who thought themselves to be the best, I’ve known long before LLMs were ever a thing. I’m sure others heard the same when JavaScript and Python became near ubiquitous. When PHP emerged. When C supplanted Fortran and COBOL. When these two took over from Assembly. When punch cards went the way of the dodo. There’s always someone for whom shitty is becoming the new normal. If that makes it a rule, what do we make of that rule?
- freetanga 5mo ago
  Maybe it’s a process. Many of the transitions you mentioned did bring shitty apps (not all of them, the ones replacing tech for tech were mostly ok, the ones democratizing dev did come with a quality drop), but eventually Darwinism will take effect and trim the long tail. Coding per se is not hard. Proper engineering is. I do hope this change brings a change in focus (people train in algorithms, efficiency, solid development patterns) but I am afraid it won’t be the case.
  - ElFitz 5mo ago
    The risk is people who incidentally get into software engineering through using agents probably won’t be aware of any of that. And probably wouldn’t care even if they did. And for most software they’ll create, single user, perhaps even single use, it’ll be fine. And for those who might care about these things, they’ll probably just be facing constant pressure to deliver more, faster, perhaps with less. One of the issue about literacy in algorithms, data modeling, efficiency, development patterns, systems designs… is that people either aren’t aware of them (and in the best case scenario reinvent the wheel), don’t care about them, or feel they aren’t given the time to invest in learning them (or worse, might be penalized for it).

dheera 5mo ago

> wonder what is future like Probably "don't do anything to upset AI companies or you will effectively become a handicapped person" Not that different from life in China: "don't do anything to upset Tencent and AliPay or you will become an outcast" Or life in the US if you're a content creator: "don't do anything to upset Meta or Youtube or you will not be able to pay your rent" The future: ToS basically becomes law, and you will be stripped of your own second brain if you violate it or say anything they deem "sensitive"

oulipo2 5mo ago

Full of security holes

mercanlIl 5mo ago

I think there are some pretty good ways to understand it now. When the electricity goes out, (most) people get similarly upset. No electricity means no internet, and all of a sudden everything that people had planed to do can’t be done until the power returns.

FeteCommuniste 5mo ago

Our future: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNo5fs1iDrs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNo5fs1iDrs

KellyCriterion 5mo ago

Opus 4.7 is really expensive, I had to throw in several times 5 bucks the last days just to get a larger task finished.

agrippanux 5mo ago

There is a fintech startup that surrounds me at my co-working place. They literally stop working and shoot the shit with each other if Claude has a hiccup. Yesterday one asked another "how much of this deck did Claude do"? and the response was "50%". "What 50% did you do?" => "I chose the font and colors".