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This type of thing should come along with a reduction of allowed H-1bs.
by declan_roberts 5mo ago
This type of thing should come along with a reduction of allowed H-1bs.
- csomar 5mo agoI think H1Bs are pretty much dead with the 100k fee.
- jimbob45 5mo agoI’d prefer a forced resignation of the CEO and board with no severance.
- siren2026 5mo agoCisco especially is absolutely full of H1Bs. As someone that has worked for them a decade ago, some of their division are >90% Indian. Those are all good engineers and not dunking on them at all but it should be unacceptable to bring over competing workers on a visa while also laying off so many people.
- truncate 5mo agoWhat percent of laid of employees do you think are H1Bs?
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- vkou 5mo agoDo you have anything but prejudice to support that, or..?
- bakugo 5mo agoWhen tech companies lay off large amounts of workers like this, they often immediately replace them with H1Bs. These layoffs are almost always cost-cutting measures, not caused by lack of work - the work is still there and still has to be done, they just don't want to pay expensive white people to do it. https://www.newsweek.com/microsoft-layoffs-h1b-visa-applications-2094370 https://www.newsweek.com/microsoft-layoffs-h1b-visa-applicat... It makes no sense to lay off H1Bs only to immediately re-hire them afterwards.
- vkou 5mo agoThank link does not provide any evidence that no h1bs were laid off. How many non-h1bs did they hire in that fiscal year? How many h1bs did they lay off? > It makes no sense to lay off H1Bs only to immediately re-hire them afterwards. "It doesn't make sense to lay off programmers only to immediately rehire them afterwards", yet that has been happening for the past 4 years in every company. It does if you stop seeing them as labels like 'H1Bs' or 'Programmers' and start seeing them as human beings with particular skills and strengths and weaknesses or members of particular teams (who get grown or cut at the very high-level whims of directors or VPs, without any regard for who is on them.) Laying someone, or a team off happens for any one of a million reasons, most of which have fuck all to do with their immigration status. You're mixing a combination of prejudice with a poor understanding of how businesses actually operate. When some corporate shithead chooses which team to cut in half, they aren't looking at the immigration status ratio in them. And for these mass layoffs, the team's direct and next level managers have next to zero say in them.
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- spike021 5mo agowe were acquired and part of our org moved into cisco HQ. the entire floor were Indian other than our org, and over time our org was filled out with incoming transfers and new hires. i'll never forget some irony in that one of the engineering leaders brought us together for a mini townhall once and praised our "diversity" but by then the percentage of people in the room were basically the same as you described, including said leader. even our twice a week catered lunches were almost always indian. just an interesting experience being part of cisco for a couple of years.
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- mavelikara 5mo agoPolydactyly can be treated surgically! /s Jokes aside, if in 15 years you have worked with only few good Indian engineers, you probably have not yet worked at places with high talent density. I could understand if you had said you have (a) worked with many low quality engineers from India, or (b) worked with far more low quality engineers from India than high quality ones. But if, in absolute numbers, you haven't come across many good engineers from India, I can only infer than you probably haven't worked with very good engineers across the board.
- truncate 5mo agoOr maybe you just aren't that good of an engineer (or whatever profession you are into) and find the easiest group to blame on your failures. I found that people who often are quick to judge and group of people in one bucket based on their color/ethnicity/gender/... are often not that bright people and like to focus on directing it on others. Somewhat like MAGA.
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- ribosometronome 5mo agoIf a company is set on hiring foreign workers who will work for less than Americans and we don't let them bring them over here, won't they just offshore instead? I don't ask this to be contrarian but more to wonder how to combat it.
- fc417fc802 5mo agoBy penalizing offshoring. I don't say this as a particularly nationalistic person either. All companies in all countries should be heavily incentivized to hire local labor and sell to the local market. Globalization is extremely beneficial of course but the various side effects need to be managed.
- SpicyLemonZest 5mo agoAn offshored worker is already much cheaper than an H1B worker, I would expect any easy substitutions along those lines to already be performed. Probably some effect on the margins, but I would doubt it outweighs the primary effect. (Of course, it would be a problem if you think H1Bs are for hiring people who cannot be found domestically, but it does not seem like many people think that these days.)
- rayiner 5mo agoDo you think there was ethnic favoritism going on?
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- eudamoniac 5mo agoThere are more than a few entire divisions of Indians. Indian manager, 10-12 Indian subs. And these divisions are not in India. Not sure how this flies, legally.
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- jameson 5mo agoUnlikely to happen when H1B program benefit corporate and they run super PACs Any policies to help the people are labeled as "socialist" nowadays
- mavelikara 5mo ago> This type of thing should come along with a reduction of allowed H-1bs. H-1Bs also lose jobs in these layoffs, so there is an implicit reduction.
- Scroll_Swe 5mo agoThis. Once Indians get in, they hire other Indians only. It is a disgrace. They are here in Sweden too studying for masters, terrible. They should be barred from EU honestly... sadly we just did a trade agreement...