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Seeing the *.k12.oh.us in the delegated subdomains brought me back to highschool. When I was little I always wondered why the city name was before k12. Didn't k

by kiddico 5mo ago

Seeing the *.k12.oh.us in the delegated subdomains brought me back to highschool. When I was little I always wondered why the city name was before k12. Didn't know it was structured like that everywhere.

T3RMINATED 5mo ago
Our school and town dropped all the .mi.us domains and they have their own domains now, why would they do that? I know it used to be k12 too.
- xp84 5mo ago
  They nearly all did that because the average person never figured out how the DNS hierarchy worked, and many of them never even got comfortable with the idea of having more than one dot in a domain (with the exception of a “www.” prefix). So it was easier for each district to just make up a random .com or .org.
  - bombcar 5mo ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsN6rbonMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsN6rbonMo is basically perfectly accurate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gNFFZpIDU8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gNFFZpIDU8 (we need .egg and .muffin)
anamexis 5mo ago
School districts are often supersets of municipalities.
- runjake 5mo ago
  This is the correct answer. From RFC 1386, Section 3.3.1: "Public schools are usually organized by districts which can be larger or smaller than a city or county." https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1386#page-12 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1386#page-12
  - throw_await 5mo ago
    What a wierd phrasing. It reads to me like it excludes the possibility of it being the same.
    - staticshock 5mo ago
      "can be" ≠ "must be"
      - pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
        "can be" is used to list all possible values, which is where the confusion arises. It sounds like: ∀x, x>C v x<C. "Might be", I think would be better.
        wavemode 5mo ago
        "can" can be a synonym for "might" / "may" (purists would argue that it can't, but common usage trumps purism) Also, I will point out that, even from the perspective of formal logic, the original statement has "city or county". In other words there is no single fixed C - C could be a city or a country. Since counties can be larger than cities, it stands to reason that a school district could be larger than the size of a city while being equal to the size of a county. And can be smaller than the size of a county while being equal to the size of a city. So, even assuming that the original statement is taken to have the logical meaning you've interpreted, that meaning does not technically forbid school districts from being equal to the size of a county (as long as that county is larger than some city, so that we can still make the true statement "this district is larger than a city"), nor from being equal to the size of a city (as long as that city is smaller than some county, so that we can still make the true statement "this district is smaller than a county").
        dsr_ 5mo ago
        MAY is the correct choice. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2119 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2119
MithrilTuxedo 5mo ago
mayo.k12.sc.us was my high school. It seems a shame they're not still using it.
EvanAnderson 5mo ago
I managed a couple ".k12.oh.us" domains back in the day. The employees hated the domain in their email addresses, but I found it very logical. I saw all kinds screwed-up addresses in bounce messages forwarded to my company address when "can't email people in the District" tickets got sent my way (a lot of "districtname.oh.k12.us", etc). I guess it wasn't so simple for "normies". One of the schools ended up using a ".com" domain that was one character longer than their ".k12.oh.us" domain but easier to tell people verbally (I guess). I also managed a "co._countyname_.oh.us" domain, too. Again, universal hatred for the domain in email addresses, and again I found it logical and reasonable. The County government ended-up getting a ".gov" domain that was 5 characters longer than their "co._countyname_.oh.us" domain and, in my opinion, hell to tell people verbally ("It's Countyname County Ohio dot Gov. Yes-- all one word. The words County and Ohio are spelled out. No, not O-H-- Ohio is spelled out." >sigh<)
- bombcar 5mo ago
  I'm still mildly annoyed every time usps.gov redirects me to usps.com
- Xirdus 5mo ago
  Once you stop thinking of domain as an addressing tool and start thinking of them as branding, the complaints will make sense. "Dot k12 dot oh dot us" is a terrible brand name.
  - EvanAnderson 5mo ago
    I have a hard time with public dollars going to "branding" but I do recognize it's a concern for some people and I'm a vastly minority opinion.
    - Atotalnoob 5mo ago
      Public dollars or not, it IS branding. Having a strong, consistent, easy to use name IS a positive. It’s easy to remember, which means more “engagement”. For a local government organization, that means more support, more feedback, and the constituents are “getting their moneys worth” more than a government organization that they can’t ever interact with. It’s a clear win for using your dollars BETTER
reaperducer 5mo ago
Seeing the .k12.oh.us in the delegated subdomains brought me back to highschool.* When I was in my wandering days before there were search engines, I would always enter http://travel.state.*st*.us http://travel.state.*st*.us, or http://travel.*st*.us http://travel.*st*.us to look up tourism web sites. It was unusual for a city or state to not have a travel.city.state.us, or travel.state.us domain.
bentcorner 5mo ago
My local school district somehow has <schooldistrict>.us Not sure how that came about.

by kiddico 5mo ago

T3RMINATED 5mo ago

Our school and town dropped all the .mi.us domains and they have their own domains now, why would they do that? I know it used to be k12 too.

xp84 5mo ago
They nearly all did that because the average person never figured out how the DNS hierarchy worked, and many of them never even got comfortable with the idea of having more than one dot in a domain (with the exception of a “www.” prefix). So it was easier for each district to just make up a random .com or .org.
- bombcar 5mo ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsN6rbonMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CsN6rbonMo is basically perfectly accurate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gNFFZpIDU8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gNFFZpIDU8 (we need .egg and .muffin)

anamexis 5mo ago

School districts are often supersets of municipalities.

runjake 5mo ago
This is the correct answer. From RFC 1386, Section 3.3.1: "Public schools are usually organized by districts which can be larger or smaller than a city or county." https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1386#page-12 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1386#page-12
- throw_await 5mo ago
  What a wierd phrasing. It reads to me like it excludes the possibility of it being the same.
  - staticshock 5mo ago
    "can be" ≠ "must be"
    - pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
      "can be" is used to list all possible values, which is where the confusion arises. It sounds like: ∀x, x>C v x<C. "Might be", I think would be better.
      - wavemode 5mo ago
        "can" can be a synonym for "might" / "may" (purists would argue that it can't, but common usage trumps purism) Also, I will point out that, even from the perspective of formal logic, the original statement has "city or county". In other words there is no single fixed C - C could be a city or a country. Since counties can be larger than cities, it stands to reason that a school district could be larger than the size of a city while being equal to the size of a county. And can be smaller than the size of a county while being equal to the size of a city. So, even assuming that the original statement is taken to have the logical meaning you've interpreted, that meaning does not technically forbid school districts from being equal to the size of a county (as long as that county is larger than some city, so that we can still make the true statement "this district is larger than a city"), nor from being equal to the size of a city (as long as that city is smaller than some county, so that we can still make the true statement "this district is smaller than a county").
      - dsr_ 5mo ago
        MAY is the correct choice. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2119 https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2119

MithrilTuxedo 5mo ago

mayo.k12.sc.us was my high school. It seems a shame they're not still using it.

EvanAnderson 5mo ago

I managed a couple ".k12.oh.us" domains back in the day. The employees hated the domain in their email addresses, but I found it very logical. I saw all kinds screwed-up addresses in bounce messages forwarded to my company address when "can't email people in the District" tickets got sent my way (a lot of "districtname.oh.k12.us", etc). I guess it wasn't so simple for "normies". One of the schools ended up using a ".com" domain that was one character longer than their ".k12.oh.us" domain but easier to tell people verbally (I guess). I also managed a "co._countyname_.oh.us" domain, too. Again, universal hatred for the domain in email addresses, and again I found it logical and reasonable. The County government ended-up getting a ".gov" domain that was 5 characters longer than their "co._countyname_.oh.us" domain and, in my opinion, hell to tell people verbally ("It's Countyname County Ohio dot Gov. Yes-- all one word. The words County and Ohio are spelled out. No, not O-H-- Ohio is spelled out." >sigh<)

bombcar 5mo ago
I'm still mildly annoyed every time usps.gov redirects me to usps.com
Xirdus 5mo ago
Once you stop thinking of domain as an addressing tool and start thinking of them as branding, the complaints will make sense. "Dot k12 dot oh dot us" is a terrible brand name.
- EvanAnderson 5mo ago
  I have a hard time with public dollars going to "branding" but I do recognize it's a concern for some people and I'm a vastly minority opinion.
  - Atotalnoob 5mo ago
    Public dollars or not, it IS branding. Having a strong, consistent, easy to use name IS a positive. It’s easy to remember, which means more “engagement”. For a local government organization, that means more support, more feedback, and the constituents are “getting their moneys worth” more than a government organization that they can’t ever interact with. It’s a clear win for using your dollars BETTER

reaperducer 5mo ago

Seeing the .k12.oh.us in the delegated subdomains brought me back to highschool.* When I was in my wandering days before there were search engines, I would always enter http://travel.state.*st*.us http://travel.state.*st*.us, or http://travel.*st*.us http://travel.*st*.us to look up tourism web sites. It was unusual for a city or state to not have a travel.city.state.us, or travel.state.us domain.

bentcorner 5mo ago

My local school district somehow has <schooldistrict>.us Not sure how that came about.