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What if it wouldn't get done otherwise? (Genuine question as we're all trying to figure this shit out)

by dang 6mo ago

deng 6mo ago
I think we can agree that this is not something anybody will actually use, but rather an homage to "They Live", and IMHO, letting this be done by AI is in contrast to the basic premise of the movie.
- dolebirchwood 6mo ago
  That argument could be taken to any extreme at the end of the day. They Live, at its core, is a commentary on unrestrained capitalism. You could fault OP for using a Google browser. You could fault OP for using a Microsoft cloud repository. The line may be blurrier than one thinks...
  - deng 6mo ago
    Any argument can be taken to any extreme. This is why it's a popular rhetorical tactic, called "appeal to extremes".
    - darkwater 6mo ago
      So, why did you use it in this case?
      - deng 6mo ago
        So you consider calling something "ironic" an extreme position? On a more general note, you will find that many people are uncomfortable with the idea that AI will replace human work, especially when it relates to art, which this project in question references.
        darkwater 6mo ago
        But there are many more tech things we take for granted that could be seen as ironic as well. I think I never saw this movie but being a young adult and an Internet nerd in the late '90s early -00s I remember perfectly how many people were negatively discussing it because it was dehumanizing, destroying personal relationships in flesh and a long etc. And while the future turned out to be not so good as some early adopter thought, it also never turned into something so bleak as detractors said it would. And I think the same will apply here, with GenAI.
- andai 6mo ago
  What's the premise of the movie? I thought it was about psyops. (Also interdimensional shapeshifting reptilians.)
- tokenburner 6mo ago
  The joke wasn't worth 10+ hours manual work
d3ng 6mo ago
I think this is false dichotomy. It's been a while since actually empowering and encouraging humans was considered normal and attempted at scale. But not that long. How quick we forget. I think it's worth getting back to.
ori_b 6mo ago
We'd all be better off for it. I don't want you to take a shit on the table and call it dinner. Even if you don't cook.
- dang 6mo ago
  That sounds like you're denying that anything valuable can be produced with these tools. That would be an extreme position.
  - ori_b 6mo ago
    When people burn down their neighbor's houses to roast marshmallows, I think that it's worth taking a strong position against them. If you listen to what effects the companies building this claim their products will have, you conclude that either they're going much farther than burning a few houses, or they're lying through their teeth. Neither of which lead me to thinking that the harm of empowering them is outweighed by having more low-effort software. So, yes. As someone that has to live in the world those assholes are building, they can go fuck themselves. I want nothing to do with their creepy, infantilizing, bleak, dystopian future. Maybe that's an extreme position, but I'm very glad I don't have children; I don't think I could look them in the eyes and tell them they had a bright future.
tokenburner 6mo ago
It wouldn't have. I put this off for 11 years, the joke wasn't worth the manual effort required AI is amazing at jumping into an unfamiliar codebase, it was probably 20 mins total work
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thesuitonym 6mo ago
Why should anybody be interested in using software nobody was interested in making?
- dang 6mo ago
  By that argument no software would ever exist.
- tokenburner 6mo ago
  This is the labor theory of value Why should anybody be interested in using software nobody was interested in... Writing their own assembly for? manually allocating their own memory for?

What if it wouldn't get done otherwise? (Genuine question as we're all trying to figure this shit out)

by dang 6mo ago

What if it wouldn't get done otherwise? (Genuine question as we're all trying to figure this shit out)

deng 6mo ago

I think we can agree that this is not something anybody will actually use, but rather an homage to "They Live", and IMHO, letting this be done by AI is in contrast to the basic premise of the movie.

dolebirchwood 6mo ago
That argument could be taken to any extreme at the end of the day. They Live, at its core, is a commentary on unrestrained capitalism. You could fault OP for using a Google browser. You could fault OP for using a Microsoft cloud repository. The line may be blurrier than one thinks...
- deng 6mo ago
  Any argument can be taken to any extreme. This is why it's a popular rhetorical tactic, called "appeal to extremes".
  - darkwater 6mo ago
    So, why did you use it in this case?
    - deng 6mo ago
      So you consider calling something "ironic" an extreme position? On a more general note, you will find that many people are uncomfortable with the idea that AI will replace human work, especially when it relates to art, which this project in question references.
      - darkwater 6mo ago
        But there are many more tech things we take for granted that could be seen as ironic as well. I think I never saw this movie but being a young adult and an Internet nerd in the late '90s early -00s I remember perfectly how many people were negatively discussing it because it was dehumanizing, destroying personal relationships in flesh and a long etc. And while the future turned out to be not so good as some early adopter thought, it also never turned into something so bleak as detractors said it would. And I think the same will apply here, with GenAI.
andai 6mo ago
What's the premise of the movie? I thought it was about psyops. (Also interdimensional shapeshifting reptilians.)
tokenburner 6mo ago
The joke wasn't worth 10+ hours manual work

d3ng 6mo ago

I think this is false dichotomy. It's been a while since actually empowering and encouraging humans was considered normal and attempted at scale. But not that long. How quick we forget. I think it's worth getting back to.

ori_b 6mo ago

We'd all be better off for it. I don't want you to take a shit on the table and call it dinner. Even if you don't cook.

dang 6mo ago
That sounds like you're denying that anything valuable can be produced with these tools. That would be an extreme position.
- ori_b 6mo ago
  When people burn down their neighbor's houses to roast marshmallows, I think that it's worth taking a strong position against them. If you listen to what effects the companies building this claim their products will have, you conclude that either they're going much farther than burning a few houses, or they're lying through their teeth. Neither of which lead me to thinking that the harm of empowering them is outweighed by having more low-effort software. So, yes. As someone that has to live in the world those assholes are building, they can go fuck themselves. I want nothing to do with their creepy, infantilizing, bleak, dystopian future. Maybe that's an extreme position, but I'm very glad I don't have children; I don't think I could look them in the eyes and tell them they had a bright future.

tokenburner 6mo ago

It wouldn't have. I put this off for 11 years, the joke wasn't worth the manual effort required AI is amazing at jumping into an unfamiliar codebase, it was probably 20 mins total work

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thesuitonym 6mo ago

Why should anybody be interested in using software nobody was interested in making?

dang 6mo ago
By that argument no software would ever exist.
tokenburner 6mo ago
This is the labor theory of value Why should anybody be interested in using software nobody was interested in... Writing their own assembly for? manually allocating their own memory for?