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Would you prefer a huge organization that arbitrarily censors websites without a mechanism for appeal or legal process? The current state of affairs is way bet

by sneak 5mo ago

Would you prefer a huge organization that arbitrarily censors websites without a mechanism for appeal or legal process? The current state of affairs is way better.

yosamino 5mo ago
The current state of affairs is that cloudflare is that huge organization that arbitrarily censors websites without a mechanism for appeal or legal process. Cloudflare actively removes your ability to decide for yourself which websites and systems you want to connect to by obscuring their sources. Without Cloudflare I could decide for myself that I want to block certain networks to connect to my networks. Cloudflare hiding the origin of these networks along with it's size in the market make Cloudflare exactly that huge organization.
- Dylan16807 5mo ago
  > The current state of affairs is that cloudflare is that huge organization that arbitrarily censors websites without a mechanism for appeal or legal process. Where are they censoring? You're talking about more than a single digit number of sites ever, right? > Cloudflare actively removes your ability to decide for yourself which websites and systems you want to connect to by obscuring their sources. What, you look up the ASN of sites before you decide if you want to connect to them? That ability is very unimportant at best. And any CDN or cloud host does the same kind of source-obscuring for servers. > Without Cloudflare I could decide for myself that I want to block certain networks to connect to my networks. How are they stopping you from filtering incoming connections? By running a VPN? I'm pro-VPN.
xorcist 5mo ago
Can you seriously see no space between hosting people advertising DDoS-for-hire services and arbitrarily censoring the Internet? Is this what passes as civil discourse these days? That's especially rich considering that Cloudflare is the actor perhaps best known for blocking access to the Internet for people who seek privacy. Have you tried using Tor during the past several years? Or just a lesser popular web browser? Look, it's very simple. When any one of your customers is exactly the criminal you sell protection against, you drop them, otherwise you are aiding and abiding. Perhaps not exactly in the sense of the law, if you have expensive enough lawyers, but in practice.

by sneak 5mo ago

Would you prefer a huge organization that arbitrarily censors websites without a mechanism for appeal or legal process? The current state of affairs is way better.

yosamino 5mo ago

The current state of affairs is that cloudflare is that huge organization that arbitrarily censors websites without a mechanism for appeal or legal process. Cloudflare actively removes your ability to decide for yourself which websites and systems you want to connect to by obscuring their sources. Without Cloudflare I could decide for myself that I want to block certain networks to connect to my networks. Cloudflare hiding the origin of these networks along with it's size in the market make Cloudflare exactly that huge organization.

Dylan16807 5mo ago
> The current state of affairs is that cloudflare is that huge organization that arbitrarily censors websites without a mechanism for appeal or legal process. Where are they censoring? You're talking about more than a single digit number of sites ever, right? > Cloudflare actively removes your ability to decide for yourself which websites and systems you want to connect to by obscuring their sources. What, you look up the ASN of sites before you decide if you want to connect to them? That ability is very unimportant at best. And any CDN or cloud host does the same kind of source-obscuring for servers. > Without Cloudflare I could decide for myself that I want to block certain networks to connect to my networks. How are they stopping you from filtering incoming connections? By running a VPN? I'm pro-VPN.

xorcist 5mo ago

Can you seriously see no space between hosting people advertising DDoS-for-hire services and arbitrarily censoring the Internet? Is this what passes as civil discourse these days? That's especially rich considering that Cloudflare is the actor perhaps best known for blocking access to the Internet for people who seek privacy. Have you tried using Tor during the past several years? Or just a lesser popular web browser? Look, it's very simple. When any one of your customers is exactly the criminal you sell protection against, you drop them, otherwise you are aiding and abiding. Perhaps not exactly in the sense of the law, if you have expensive enough lawyers, but in practice.