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>But new A.I. models like Anthropic’s Mythos, which was announced last month, appear to be so good at finding such holes that Anthropic shared it only with a li
by s3p 5mo ago
>But new A.I. models like Anthropic’s Mythos, which was announced last month, appear to be so good at finding such holes that Anthropic shared it only with a limited number of firms and government agencies in the United States and Britain.
Immediate distrust of the article. GPT 5.5 is out with nearly the same capability. The author might be parroting company marketing, unable to discern that a lot of this is much less complex than it seems. For all we know this group could have had a model examine some obscure line of code thousands of times until it found something.
- reaperducer 5mo agoImmediate distrust of the article… The author might be parroting company marketing, unable to discern that a lot of this is much less complex than it seems. https://www.nytimes.com/by/dustin-volz https://www.nytimes.com/by/dustin-volz > I am based in The Times’s Washington bureau, and much of my focus is on the dealings of U.S. cybersecurity and intelligence agencies, including the National Security Agency, Central Intelligence Agency, Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, as well as their counterparts abroad, chiefly in China, Russia, Iran and North Korea. > My remit spans nation-state hacking conflict, digital espionage, online influence operations, election meddling, government surveillance, malicious use of A.I. tools and other related topics. > Before joining The Times, I worked at The Wall Street Journal, where I spent eight years covering cyber conflict and intelligence. My recent work at The Journal included a series of articles revealing a major Chinese intrusion of America’s telecommunications networks that breached the F.B.I.’s wiretap systems and has been described as one of the worst U.S. counterintelligence failures in history. I have also worked at Reuters and National Journal, where I began my career in Washington chronicling congressional efforts to reform surveillance practices at the N.S.A. in the wake of the 2013 Edward Snowden disclosures. > My work has been internationally recognized, including by the White House Correspondents’ Association, the Gerald Loeb Awards, the Society of Publishers in Asia and the Society for Advancing Business Editing and Writing. What have you done lately?
- flextheruler 5mo agohttps://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Authority https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-...
- reaperducer 5mo agoNot at all. OP posited that the author didn't know what he's talking about. I pointed out that the author has far more knowledge and experience in the field than rando internet griefers on HN who immediately reach for "shoot the messenger" when they read something that doesn't neatly fit into their pre-conceived worldview, instead of perhaps learning things from other people. But at least your trope acknowledges that he's an authority on the subject.
- ssl-3 5mo ago> OP posited that the author didn't know what he's talking about. That position does not appear to be present.
- JumpCrisscross 5mo agoEh, "unable to discern" seems like a polite way of saying someone is talking out of their ass.
- nitwit005 5mo ago> I pointed out that the author has far more knowledge and experience in the field than rando internet griefers on HN You mean, you guessed that a random person online lacked experience. The experts are genuinely here too.
- flextheruler 5mo agoThere's nothing wrong to point that out but to use it as evidence of a truth as if it is a logical argument is the fallacy. "Richard Dawkins certainly knows about evolution, and he can confidently tell us that it is true, but that doesn't make it true. What makes it true is the preponderance of evidence for the theory."
- cobolcomesback 5mo agoGPT 5.5 does not have the same capabilities as Mythos. There is a separate 5.5-Cyber model which is the Mythos “equivalent”, but it is similarly restricted access like Mythos. Per OpenAI, the major difference is the built-in safeguards that 5.5 (and other models have), where 5.5-Cyber does not have these safeguards and is more “permissive” for security work. See https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-5-with-trusted-access-for-cyber/ https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-5-with-trusted-access-for-cyb...
- ofjcihen 5mo agoI have access to the Cyber version. It’s great at cybersecurity work but only marginally better than its predecessor with the right jailbreaking. I imagine Mythos is going to be the same story from what I’ve seen so far.
- nullstyle 5mo agoThat reminds me: I got cajoled the other day that I need to upload my ID and ask for 5.5-Cyber access by the Codex desktop app while I was having it develop a fuzzing suite for an open source library I'm(we?) are developing. I was able to berate it into getting back to work. This struck me as a point of emergent enshittification; an anus if you will.
- vgalin 5mo agoThe company doing the actual ID verification (KYC) is probably the last company I'd trust with this kind of data. To circumvent conversations being flagged as "cybersecurity bad!!!" I often have to use previous models (5.3 for example, and sometimes using them through subagents is enough). And when this method no longer works, local models will be good enough for it to not be a problem (for my use case, at least).
- bluGill 5mo agoThat is very clearly the claim of mythos though. The experience of projects that do have access to mythos though suggests that if you use the other models it's not going to find much of anything. Which is to say generally we believe it is marketing as you say however the claim that the reporter said is very clearly stated even if it's not right.
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