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I think the idea of being an employee is fundamentally changing. Not saying its good or bad but it's shifting to a more entrepreneurial phase where people have

I think the idea of being an employee is fundamentally changing. Not saying its good or bad but it's shifting to a more entrepreneurial phase where people have to step out of their 9 to 5s and find ways to deliver value that others want to pay for. We saw this pre-ai with uber and door dash. I think as AI automation dies down and most companies are competing at a near optimal level with the new tools we'll need humans again in more traditional roles to build the next generation of innovations. And then the whole cycle will repeat.

lowmagnet 6mo ago
Uber and Doordash are both examples of abusing workers and their resources to externalize costs on the worker.
- phyzix5761 6mo ago
  What about people who have been out of work for a year and all they can do right now is deliver for Uber and Doordash so they can make rent and put some food on the table? Is it ideal working conditions? No, but its better than nothing, you can set your own hours, and you can leave when the next opportunity comes.
  - RealityVoid 6mo ago
    His point is that it's not entrepreneurship, it's employment.
mancerayder 6mo ago
That's a lot of SV-speak. How exactly do people step into an entrepreneurial phase? They're at work in corporate settings with fixed defined roles. Most workplaces are not many-hatted-donning startup environments, but restricted roles where there are deliverables, deadlines, meetings, etc. Which leaves out of hours for "entrepreneurship" whatever that is. Github project work on the weekends? That's not possible for most people in their mature/family years (or shouldn't be necessary - what about living life??)
- ProfessorLayton 6mo ago
  >That's a lot of SV-speak. How exactly do people step into an entrepreneurial phase? Almost half of U.S. employment is from small businesses (250 or less employees). That's means there's a lot of entrepreneurship happening already. I have lots of family running their own small businesses (trades), and it's a lot of work, and doesn't necessarily pay as well as a cushy corporate job, but what I'm trying to say is lots of people can and do start their own enterprise. Yes, lots of them will fail at running their own business, but it's not like corporate jobs are getting any safer either.
  - mancerayder 5mo ago
    And what ARE those businesses? There's delis everywhere, should I open up a 24/7 bodega? Start selling knives I learn to forge on the Internet and make YouTube videos about knife making? That's going to replace our financial commitments will it? Here's another problem - how do you get healthcare without a corporate group plan? In my state the ACA offers expensive in-network only plans where you wait months for appointments.
- Terr_ 6mo ago
  > That's a lot of SV-speak. How exactly do people step into an entrepreneurial phase? Oh, you simply decide to use grit and willpower to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, placing some calls to people you met at certain parties aided by a small 6 digit loan from your family. /s My default expectation of "employees should be more entrepreneurial" is that's it's a kind of victim-blaming. I'm especially cynical if the concept seems is getting introduced by groups that spent the last several decades putting up barriers to entry, drafting non-compete contracts, capturing regulators, and basically pulling up the ladders behind them.
  - mancerayder 5mo ago
    It's comfort (for the already made men) for the possibility of a dystopic economy where tech jobs become very rare. A scenario which could play out as we compete harder with each other for the pickings.
RealityVoid 6mo ago
> We saw this pre-ai with uber and door dash. Oh, yeah? Did the Uber drivers and door dashers accrue the surplus value?
vips7L 6mo ago
How the hell is uber or door dash entrepreneurial?
Ifkaluva 5mo ago
lol what? Are you seriously suggesting the miseries and abuses of the gig economy are a suitable comparison for the future of displaced SWEs?

lowmagnet 6mo ago

Uber and Doordash are both examples of abusing workers and their resources to externalize costs on the worker.

phyzix5761 6mo ago
What about people who have been out of work for a year and all they can do right now is deliver for Uber and Doordash so they can make rent and put some food on the table? Is it ideal working conditions? No, but its better than nothing, you can set your own hours, and you can leave when the next opportunity comes.
- RealityVoid 6mo ago
  His point is that it's not entrepreneurship, it's employment.

mancerayder 6mo ago

That's a lot of SV-speak. How exactly do people step into an entrepreneurial phase? They're at work in corporate settings with fixed defined roles. Most workplaces are not many-hatted-donning startup environments, but restricted roles where there are deliverables, deadlines, meetings, etc. Which leaves out of hours for "entrepreneurship" whatever that is. Github project work on the weekends? That's not possible for most people in their mature/family years (or shouldn't be necessary - what about living life??)

ProfessorLayton 6mo ago
>That's a lot of SV-speak. How exactly do people step into an entrepreneurial phase? Almost half of U.S. employment is from small businesses (250 or less employees). That's means there's a lot of entrepreneurship happening already. I have lots of family running their own small businesses (trades), and it's a lot of work, and doesn't necessarily pay as well as a cushy corporate job, but what I'm trying to say is lots of people can and do start their own enterprise. Yes, lots of them will fail at running their own business, but it's not like corporate jobs are getting any safer either.
- mancerayder 5mo ago
  And what ARE those businesses? There's delis everywhere, should I open up a 24/7 bodega? Start selling knives I learn to forge on the Internet and make YouTube videos about knife making? That's going to replace our financial commitments will it? Here's another problem - how do you get healthcare without a corporate group plan? In my state the ACA offers expensive in-network only plans where you wait months for appointments.
Terr_ 6mo ago
> That's a lot of SV-speak. How exactly do people step into an entrepreneurial phase? Oh, you simply decide to use grit and willpower to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, placing some calls to people you met at certain parties aided by a small 6 digit loan from your family. /s My default expectation of "employees should be more entrepreneurial" is that's it's a kind of victim-blaming. I'm especially cynical if the concept seems is getting introduced by groups that spent the last several decades putting up barriers to entry, drafting non-compete contracts, capturing regulators, and basically pulling up the ladders behind them.
- mancerayder 5mo ago
  It's comfort (for the already made men) for the possibility of a dystopic economy where tech jobs become very rare. A scenario which could play out as we compete harder with each other for the pickings.

RealityVoid 6mo ago

> We saw this pre-ai with uber and door dash. Oh, yeah? Did the Uber drivers and door dashers accrue the surplus value?

vips7L 6mo ago

How the hell is uber or door dash entrepreneurial?

Ifkaluva 5mo ago

lol what? Are you seriously suggesting the miseries and abuses of the gig economy are a suitable comparison for the future of displaced SWEs?