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Give me the freedom to end my life when I want to end it and you don't have to care about my care and I bet I am not the only one.

nradov 5mo ago
Sure, but a lot of those elderly people have some significant degree of dementia. That make it difficult to go out on your own terms.
- kakacik 5mo ago
  This can be covered in advance, when you can set what to do with your organs after death, or whether to resuscitate you or not and so on, it can be done for this scenario. In advanced societies of course, but we have few and unfortunate people travel from far and wide to reach those services.
  - ndarray 5mo ago
    There's a long period between beginning and full, diagnosed dementia. You won't be able to tell what you're signing but you won't be protected by a dementia diagnosis either.
chasil 5mo ago
Can you guarantee that you will feel the same as your mobility becomes more and more restricted? Do you think that your current resolve is correct for everyone around you, and should be generally mandated? I agree to a reluctance to rely upon others, in the face of infirmity, but will I have the courage to forego that reliance in euthasia? I don't know.
- jolmg 5mo ago
  > and should be generally mandated? or even encouraged?
- akudha 5mo ago
  I agree with your parent comment. People should have the option to go on their own terms. Maybe many people won’t have the courage (as you phrased it) to do it, but that shouldn’t stop the ones who do. I recently learned of the term “medical divorce”. Elderly couples divorcing, so they’re not saddled with the medical bills if one of them passes away. How insanely cruel is this? Is allowing people to go out on their own terms worse than this? I don’t know about “generally mandated” but if I am lucid enough to decide, I should be allowed to. It is more humane, safer, cleaner to do with medical professionals than jumping from a bridge. Our choices are either improve healthcare, elder care so people spend their last years in dignity or give them other options. By now, We have proven that we cannot or will not make healthcare, elder care affordable (it would be ideal to make it affordable). Which leaves us with what other options? Birth rates are falling almost across the world , we’ll have more and more older folks
- BoredPositron 5mo ago
  >> Give me the freedom to end my life when I want to end it...
- general1465 5mo ago
  > Can you guarantee that you will feel the same as your mobility becomes more and more restricted? As compared to be stuck on a bed in your own filth while your body is developing lesions on the back because you can't move? It is basically state sanctioned scaphism. Give me a ticket out of this hell hole.
- red-iron-pine 5mo ago
  > Can you guarantee that you will feel the same as your mobility becomes more and more restricted? as my grandfather descended into dementia and became wheelchair bound he talked about suicide a lot. in less than a year he couldn't remember his wife / kids / grandchildren. he lasted ~4 more years. he saw it was coming, and having watched it I don't disagree with his sentiment. when comes my time I want to be able to pull the trigger.
gib444 5mo ago
The UK parliament just spent a year and a half on an assisted dying Bill, but then it ran out of parliamentry time. So the powers that be decided no
- badgersnake 5mo ago
  The powers that be decided to quietly drop it because they’re not willing to come out and publicly support it. The government could make time for this and they could tell the lords to do one. They just chose not to.
47282847 5mo ago
This is possible for example across Europe, in some countries more openly in others a bit less so but still. It’s not advertised, one reason being that there are ugly cases of pressure by relatives…
ndarray 5mo ago
Shoulder pain? Sorry, but your insurance only covers suicide. Dementia? Every day you don't agree to end your life, your caretakers will take it personally.
scotty79 5mo ago
You have that freedom. But in most countries you'll have no support. So you have to arrange for it yourself. Which might be fair. Also if you have people in your life they might object.

nradov 5mo ago

Sure, but a lot of those elderly people have some significant degree of dementia. That make it difficult to go out on your own terms.

kakacik 5mo ago
This can be covered in advance, when you can set what to do with your organs after death, or whether to resuscitate you or not and so on, it can be done for this scenario. In advanced societies of course, but we have few and unfortunate people travel from far and wide to reach those services.
- ndarray 5mo ago
  There's a long period between beginning and full, diagnosed dementia. You won't be able to tell what you're signing but you won't be protected by a dementia diagnosis either.

chasil 5mo ago

Can you guarantee that you will feel the same as your mobility becomes more and more restricted? Do you think that your current resolve is correct for everyone around you, and should be generally mandated? I agree to a reluctance to rely upon others, in the face of infirmity, but will I have the courage to forego that reliance in euthasia? I don't know.

jolmg 5mo ago
> and should be generally mandated? or even encouraged?
akudha 5mo ago
I agree with your parent comment. People should have the option to go on their own terms. Maybe many people won’t have the courage (as you phrased it) to do it, but that shouldn’t stop the ones who do. I recently learned of the term “medical divorce”. Elderly couples divorcing, so they’re not saddled with the medical bills if one of them passes away. How insanely cruel is this? Is allowing people to go out on their own terms worse than this? I don’t know about “generally mandated” but if I am lucid enough to decide, I should be allowed to. It is more humane, safer, cleaner to do with medical professionals than jumping from a bridge. Our choices are either improve healthcare, elder care so people spend their last years in dignity or give them other options. By now, We have proven that we cannot or will not make healthcare, elder care affordable (it would be ideal to make it affordable). Which leaves us with what other options? Birth rates are falling almost across the world , we’ll have more and more older folks
BoredPositron 5mo ago
>> Give me the freedom to end my life when I want to end it...
general1465 5mo ago
> Can you guarantee that you will feel the same as your mobility becomes more and more restricted? As compared to be stuck on a bed in your own filth while your body is developing lesions on the back because you can't move? It is basically state sanctioned scaphism. Give me a ticket out of this hell hole.
red-iron-pine 5mo ago
> Can you guarantee that you will feel the same as your mobility becomes more and more restricted? as my grandfather descended into dementia and became wheelchair bound he talked about suicide a lot. in less than a year he couldn't remember his wife / kids / grandchildren. he lasted ~4 more years. he saw it was coming, and having watched it I don't disagree with his sentiment. when comes my time I want to be able to pull the trigger.

gib444 5mo ago

The UK parliament just spent a year and a half on an assisted dying Bill, but then it ran out of parliamentry time. So the powers that be decided no

badgersnake 5mo ago
The powers that be decided to quietly drop it because they’re not willing to come out and publicly support it. The government could make time for this and they could tell the lords to do one. They just chose not to.

47282847 5mo ago

This is possible for example across Europe, in some countries more openly in others a bit less so but still. It’s not advertised, one reason being that there are ugly cases of pressure by relatives…

ndarray 5mo ago

Shoulder pain? Sorry, but your insurance only covers suicide. Dementia? Every day you don't agree to end your life, your caretakers will take it personally.

scotty79 5mo ago

You have that freedom. But in most countries you'll have no support. So you have to arrange for it yourself. Which might be fair. Also if you have people in your life they might object.