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Israel's AI targeting system: how data from a phone become a death sentence
- nathanbromeir 6mo ago[flagged]
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- bwb 6mo agoWhat an upsetting read. This is just how you "breed" more terrorism.
- vcryan 6mo agoThis is terrorism
- bwb 6mo agoeh? why did you reply to my comment with this one not about my comment?
- Georgelemental 6mo agoThe person you are replying to is saying that Israel's conduct is terrorism.
- bwb 6mo agoweird, didn't really have anything to do with my comment, i figured it was bots/spam.
- nxobject 6mo agoHave you read the article? Its point is that anyone who has to coordinate with Hezbollah is being called a "terrorist".
- Georgelemental 6mo agoThe person you are replying to is saying that Israel's conduct is terrorism.
- nxobject 6mo agoMy bad, thanks for pointing that out! That's me misinterpreting the tone of a comment on the internet.
- gregbot 6mo ago>a small village less than three miles from the Israeli border which had turned into a battlefield during Israel’s campaign against Hezbollah in 2024. Classic New York Times style writing. This sentence should say “Israel attacked this village as part of its invasion of southern Lebanon and Hezbollah defended it” Imagine if this whitewashing were done to Russia: Karkiv, a small city 10 miles from the Russian boarder which had turned into a battlefield during Russia’s campaign against Zelenski in 2022”
- myth_drannon 6mo ago[flagged]
- diogenes_atx 6mo agoAre you saying that Israel intentionally targets civilians? As a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, Israel is obligated to protect civilians and civilian populations from all dangers arising from military operations, and Israel is prohibited from direct attacks on civilians. The IDF must distinguish between civilian and military objectives and take all feasible precautions to avoid or minimize incidental loss of civilian life. Civilians lose protected status only if they take a direct part in hostilities.
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- dang 6mo agoNo idea what this is about but you can't post like this to HN. We ban accounts that attack others, so please don't do anything like that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- nathanbromeir 6mo ago[flagged]
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- AuthAuth 6mo agoHow is that proof?
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- JumpCrisscross 6mo ago“His family described him as a former fighter for the militant Islamist group, but who in his older age had taken an administrative role” …this sounds like a valid military target. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that, bewilderingly, has declared war on Israel. Whether or not Israel should be mucking around in southern Lebanon is somewhat orthogonal to the validity of an attack on such a man. (And being able to reduce civilian casualties with a phone call is a good thing.) Given the IDF’s record, I’d assume a more-sympathetic target could be found.
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- bryanlarsen 6mo agoThere's certainly a good case to be made that Israel basically shaped Hezbollah into its current form as a terrorist organization. It's understandable, but not excusable. There's no excuse for a terrorist organization, on either side of the border.
- paulatreides 6mo agoThere seems to be enough excuses for the US congress tho, they weren't that bothered to aid and abet the extermination of Palestinians with bunker buster bombs that wiped out entire bloodlines. Unless you mean that there is no excuse for a "terrorist" organization that is not the ally of the USA.
- anonymous_user9 6mo ago> There's no excuse for a terrorist organization, on either side of the border. I disagree; consider Jewish resistance fighters during the holocaust. Should they not have fought back any way they could? Terrorism can be excused when the circumstances are sufficiently dire.
- cucumber3732842 6mo agoSounds to me like this is just signature strikes but replacing the analysts with AI. And to think many would cheer if it were being applied to ends they approve of (enforcing some petty domestic law with fines and bureaucrats instead of taking foreign soil with bombs and soldiers, or whatever).
- pjc50 6mo agoYou can appeal a fine. You can't appeal a missile.
- falcor84 6mo agoSorry for taking this on such a weird tangent, but I've been reading the Culture stories and my immediate thinking was - why not? Missiles fly for a relatively long time compared to human decision making, let alone compared to optimized AI agents. There's notechnical barrier to having the missile be controlled by a conversational AI to which the intended recipient could appeal, negotiating with it to change its course. I'm obviously not arguing that this is a good idea, but I wouldn't be that surprised if this is the future trajectory (sorry for the pun) of "smart weapons".
- pjc50 6mo agoWell, as described in the article, the victim was given a sort of appeal by phone: he could make it easier for them to kill just him, rather than murdering his whole family as well.
- DroneBetter 6mo agothis is basically the plot of the end of Dark Star (1975)
- Tade0 6mo agoI think part of the effectiveness of such missiles comes from the fact that they're not expected then and there.
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- fauchletenerum 6mo agoThis is the fate that awaits us all once the machines take over
- finghin 6mo agoThis fatalism completely absolves the humans that choose to apply these systems
- fauchletenerum 6mo agoIrrelevant
- jojomodding 6mo agoOr the people that aid and support those people. Systems like this, or the Iranian crackdown on protestors earlier this year, show that in our times, an autocratic regime is able to keep power in spite of significant popular resistance. Revolutions like the fall of communism in 1989/1990 seem impossible now. If you lose democracy once, it's over.
- tamimio 6mo agoPretty much, anyone who thinks that they are immune to this is delusional, the same tech is coming after you too.
- stuaxo 6mo agoIs this Palentir related ?
- tylerchilds 6mo agoPalantir is best viewed as a React dev shop. They have a bunch of dumb react components that can become the gui for live targeting systems, but that all happens post contract and in the liability of their customers, the organizations willing to expend human capital coming and going, e.g. militaries
- noworriesnate 6mo agoNo it isn't. Palantir is Databricks + a bunch of no-code / low-code tools for data visualization and general app development.
- tylerchilds 6mo agoPalantir is forward deployed engineers doing whatever their customers need. Everything else is just marketing and right sizing. For most things yeah, data bricks and no code sounds right. Most of their work is over the counter benign, but that’s to lend credibility to their other initiatives while funding their quite literal war coffers.
- xyzal 6mo agohttps://www.hindrajabfoundation.org/donate https://www.hindrajabfoundation.org/donate
- autoexec 6mo ago> Experts warn that AI-powered systems could misidentify civilians. That's obviously not an outcome Israel is overly concerned about.
- xinayder 6mo agoAs long as it misidentifies civilians as potential terrorists, for Israel, it's a feature, not a bug.
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- ceejayoz 6mo agoYou should look up the definition of spectacle. It isn’t necessarily a positive. Same deal as “awesome”; people often misunderstand its meaning.
- kibibu 6mo ago> people often misunderstand its meaning Semantics drift over time. Whether we like it or not, spectacular and awesome both mean something different today than they did 100 years ago. It's hard to argue that "spectacular" doesn't have a positive connotation today.
- ceejayoz 6mo agoIf I tell you you "made a spectacle of yourself", is that praise?
- BizyDev 6mo agoWould you say that 9/11 was "spectacular" ?
- ceejayoz 6mo agoSure. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/10/september-11-photos-new-york/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/10/september-1... "These ‘gut-wrenching, scary, spectacular’ photos capture 9/11’s trauma" https://www.chicagotribune.com/1991/03/10/us-to-iraq-no-poison-gas/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/1991/03/10/us-to-iraq-no-pois... "Given a long, slow flyover of Kuwait City and its environs by his Air Force pilots, Baker saw firsthand the awesome destruction allied and Iraqi forces unleashed on the emirate, sweeping past scores of scorched Iraqi tanks and the hundreds of burning oil wells that blackened large portions of the afternoon sky."
- lifestyleguru 6mo agoSo that's where all these RAM, SSD, and graphic cards go!
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