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Years ago when following what Zuckerberg did occupied more space in my brain, it struck me that he can "hate leakers" but not look inward and change his behavio
by asveikau 6mo ago
Years ago when following what Zuckerberg did occupied more space in my brain, it struck me that he can "hate leakers" but not look inward and change his behavior in a way that doesn't upset people and make them want to leak. He is a very reactionary guy, and not a "how can I be the change" or "what did I do to cause this" kind of guy.
I thought of this during his various scandals at the end of the 2010s. Everything was a PR reaction for him, rather than looking inward. The best PR is not being an asshole. I wonder if he's thought about it.
- loeg 6mo agoI don't think there's any possible way to behave to satisfy every single employee of tens of thousands.
- asveikau 6mo agoCan't please every human alive, so I might as well not try to do any better. This is a very Zuckerbergian take.
- alex1138 6mo agoHe'd please a lot more people if the feed hadn't been filled with crap - out of order, at that - that nobody ever subscribed to in the first place, causing them to miss actual posts from friends (whatever you think of 'social media', his website is fucking broken) for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS
- senordevnyc 6mo ago[flagged]
- _DeadFred_ 6mo agoIf that one change requires every user to click on their friends profiles to see updates x 2.1 billion daily users and say 4 family friends checked and it takes 1 second to click that is 291,000 8 hour workdays lost per day to humanity. Around 100,000,000 work days per year humanity looses out on putting to productive use. And I am REALLY underestimating the time lost to this. Facebook is stealing low end 100 million days of productivity a year from humanity on this one thing. Or another way, 850,000,000 hours. It took 5-15 billion human hours of work to go to the moon. They steal 1 moon program worth of human time from humanity every 6 or so years. At the scales they operate we need to judge them on that scale. Mark get's paid/rewarded at that scale. He needs to be judged on the same scale. Not on 'the impact per individual'. Meta has stolen multiple moon programs from humanity (again I am way under measuring) for that one change in order to increase their billions of dollars. https://www.quora.com/How-many-man-hours-went-into-the-Apollo-space-program https://www.quora.com/How-many-man-hours-went-into-the-Apoll...
- alex1138 6mo agoIt's worse than that, people have reported that even going to someone's page, FB determines the order posted. Also, psychological experiments FB has done; also, it's kind of the definition of addiction, because FB, in the beginning, when you first friend someone, shows posts. These then subsequently drop off. You can post something, assuming it's been read. It might show up for nobody. It's been said before that it's interesting Zuckerberg for making a social site is pretty introverted. It's because he stole it and he's always been stealing things. He did it to Whatsapp. He copied Snapchat multiple times. He thinks people are "dumb fucks" rather than "look, people shouldn't give info away, but now that I have it I'll do everything I can to keep it secure" (I DON'T like Google but my understanding is they have far fewer data problems). That's the mark of a certain kind of person which I'll, I suppose, not name. It's insulting to the web, what he does
- senordevnyc 6mo agoHow can you steal time from humanity when they freely chose to use your product? You don’t owe people a perfect product that doesn’t “waste” their time when compared to some arbitrary standard of how it should be.
- ceejayoz 6mo ago> How can you steal time from humanity when they freely chose to use your product? By employing psychologists who figure out how to make it addictive?
- dag100 6mo agoYour argument is effectively saying "how can lowering the quality of my product affect customers when they freely use it?". If you use Facebook regularly, you are locked into it because unless you manage to convince your entire friend network to move to some other social media with you, you will have to "leave them behind".
- senordevnyc 6mo agoOr you could do what I, and many millions of others have, and just…stop using it.
- CamperBob2 6mo agoIf you go out of your way to get people addicted to your site, you don't get to complain when they take your rug-pull a little too personally.
- senordevnyc 6mo agolol, I don’t think Zuckerberg gives two shits about people complaining.
- dingaling 6mo agoFB works perfectly well for me. 80% of posts in my FB feed are groups or people to which I've subscribed or followed. 10% are interesting things it suggests outside that core, which I then follow. 10% are suggestions that I don't find interesting and which I mark as such.
- loeg 6mo agoDo you want to prevent leaks, or achieve some other goal? If you want to prevent leaks, this isn't an effective approach. If you want to achieve a different goal, that's fine, too, but orthogonal to the stated goal. For leaks, it's probably better to just restrict communications to the necessary distribution and understand that anything widely distributed is more or less public.
- Henchman21 6mo agoYou can prevent all the leaks by having nothing bad to leak. That is what is being suggested.
- loeg 6mo agoI don't think leaking is limited to "bad" things.
- noisy_boy 6mo agoLeaking of good things is just good "PR" - people even pay good money for that to "accidentally" happen. Wonder why nobody thinks about actually doing the good thing and not bother with the rest.
- SpicyLemonZest 6mo agoI get why people have this idea, but it doesn't work. A culture of "don't have anything bad to leak" quickly and inevitably leads to "keep your mouth shut so there's nothing bad to leak".
- j-bos 6mo ago> This is a very Zuckerbergian take. No, it's just a common fallacy. If you don't like the guy, isn't "zuckerbergian" an example of helping him live rent free in people's heads?
- asveikau 6mo agoI'm actually not kidding when I say that Zuckerberg likes that particular fallacy a lot and I've seen him use it. You're right that it's not at all exclusive to him.
- georgemcbay 6mo ago> The best PR is not being an asshole. I wonder if he's thought about it. There are a lot of people in the world who lack basic human empathy to such an extent that it is nearly impossible for them to just not be an asshole. I don't know for sure if this applies to Mark Zuckerberg but based on all the second-hand anecdotal information I've heard about him "empathy" as he understands it is a product branding feature rather than a human emotion.
- cybercatgurrl 6mo agohard to do anything about when it’s in your genetics. it’s a form of neurodivergence just like any other. and to deny it is just furthering the stigma against people with high cognitive empathy and low affective empathy
- kelnos 6mo agoThen perhaps people like that shouldn't be in charge of a company like Meta.
- cheschire 6mo agoJesse Eisenberg captured this perfectly.
- giancarlostoro 6mo agoHe probably has the same thing as Elon Musk, aspbergers to be honest. Eh I just looked it up, and apparently he does. Come to think of it, maybe Steve Jobs as well, he was insanely eccentric.
- kelnos 6mo ago"Eccentric" != "Asperger's" (As an aside, Asperger's is not diagnosed anymore; it's been folded into autism spectrum disorder.)
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- sleight42 6mo agoHe's wealthy enough that he doesn't have to care. Sadly, he's one of many, most, who demonstrate what happens what you have unbelievable wealth: you do whatever you want to whoever you want without feeling remorse. And why not? What does he have to fear? He controls the stock. He's not going to lose his company. He's not going to lose his wealth. He's all but invulnerable as long as he doesn't do wrong (enough) by whatever government he lives under and sucks up enough that he can get away with the rest. This is not an excuse. This is disgust. He, and most billionaires, are rotten bastards. It's not whether they're awful, it's how awful.