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you know this whole exercise is both a marketing exercise and a way to make noise. would the world come to a standstill tomorrow if every Bun instance out ther
by dzonga 5mo ago
you know this whole exercise is both a marketing exercise and a way to make noise.
would the world come to a standstill tomorrow if every Bun instance out there ran on Node.js ?
they know their A.I can't sell without the noise that it's now on the edge of the frontier. this is hype.
zig adopting a strict 'no LLM' policy affects the LLM vendors.
- johncolanduoni 5mo agoI don’t think the Zig project adopting a strict ‘no LLM’ policy affects the LLM vendors at all. How many developers are working on the Zig project itself that will (maybe) now not buy a Claude subscription? I can buy that this is a marketing stunt, but nobody at the top cares if a relatively small open source project doesn’t allow AI contributions.
- baranul 5mo agoI don't know about that. Zig's bdfl got significant mainstream press attention for his anti-LLM stance. Definitely enough attention for various LLM vendors to notice.
- johncolanduoni 5mo agoBased on their actions, I don’t think the LLM vendors take anti-AI sentiment very seriously. If anything they court it, though I think it’s more likely they’re just high on their own supply. I doubt the Zig statement had any effect on the thoughts of the people who actually sign contracts with Anthropic, who are mostly not engineers. The marketing opportunity here is in promoting Claude Code, not giving a smackdown to Andrew Kelley (who vanishingly few people who throw around millions of dollars on AI contracts have heard of).
- tracerbulletx 5mo agoIf you think Claude needs manufactured hype at this point to sell it you're delusional.
- claude_delusion 5mo agoAnthropic literally has an astroturfing program: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47945021 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47945021
- rcxdude 5mo agoI would expect from 'astroturfing' that they were in some way paying people to recommend it. This just seems to be advice on how to recommend it for people who already want to recommend it.
- wiseowise 5mo agoThat’s how marketing works.
- sdevonoes 5mo agoIf you think they can survive without hype, you are the naive one
- geodel 5mo agoManufactured hype is just marketing. And companies losing money and looking to get listed very soon absolutely need it.
- not_paid_by_yt 5mo agoit does tho is the thing, like if someone is fine with using a non-SOTA model then no, but those people are probably happy with deepseek or something cheap like that, if you feel you need to be on the absolutely frontier of commercially available that's OpenAI right now, they need to convince those people they are not too far behind if they are still only using Opus or enroll them onto Mythos.
- aleksiy123 5mo agoIt’s also just a useful exercise in general, especially for getting feedback for models and harnesses. I’ve been thinking about setting up a non trivial project to use as a benchmark for any plugins and/or harness changes I make. Having a prebuilt verification suite is great. You can use it to asses things like token usage, time, across different harnesses, models, plugins.
- sdevonoes 5mo agoExactly. Always asks “who benefits from this?” . The answer in this case is: AI vendors, not us.
- baranul 5mo agoA good point. The business and marketing aspect of this situation can not be overlooked. The rewrite in Rust was a clear marketing opportunity, to maintain the LLM hype, that team Bun warmly embraced.
- geodel 5mo agoAt this point one should just say Anthropic team. I can't think of a Bun team since Anthropic bought Bun. Jared, the hacker is now replaced by Jared, the millionaire soon to be billionaire as Anthropic valuation keeps going up.