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> seriously want to stop adolescents from watching porn no, they want to pretend this is the issue, so that pervasive monitoring or permission and/or deanonymi
by chii 5mo ago
> seriously want to stop adolescents from watching porn
no, they want to pretend this is the issue, so that pervasive monitoring or permission and/or deanonymization is normalized. It is to serve the state apparatus, rather than any actual protection.
- palata 5mo agoIf it is possible to "pretend that they want something reasonable", it means that there is something reasonable somewhere. Maybe some want more control, but most certainly not everybody. > so that pervasive monitoring If you haven't gotten the memo, pervasive monitoring already exists. To sell ads. > or permission and/or deanonymization is normalized For age verification, it's possible to do it in a privacy-preserving manner. Now people spend their time complaining about the idea and claiming that all who disagree are extremists, so it doesn't help. But we could instead try to push for privacy-preserving age verification.
- ionwake 5mo agoguy on website called hackernews, tries to convince everyone more restrictions are good
- salawat 5mo agoWebsite called "Hacker News" has had zilch to do with the Hacking community for almost a decade now. It's VC and corporate apologist news.
- palata 5mo agoAre you calling me a corporate apologist? For one, corporations want less regulation. "Being a hacker" does not mean "being stuck in the 80s", IMO. If TooBigTech cryptographically controls everything, it becomes harder to hack. Are you aware that the biggest restriction against jailbreaking stuff is that it was made super illegal... because it helps corporations?
- deaux 5mo ago> Are you calling me a corporate apologist? For one, corporations want less regulation Ah yes, so that's why Meta et al are the main ones behind pushes for more "think of the children" ID verification/attestation regulations.
- palata 5mo agoIs that how it went? My feeling is that more and more people are realising that social media are terrible for the children (well, for everybody, but children we want to protect). Therefore more governments are looking into preventing children from accessing social media. Therefore social media companies are trying to lobby for whatever is better for them. For Meta, it's better to have age verification than to downright ban social media.
- f1shy 5mo agoIn my experience they DO want more regulation. Regulation that helps them. The automobile’s industry was lobbying for years to have all kinds of things mandatory. They invented lots of standards and pseudo standards. At the end they shoot themselves in the foot.
- dmix 5mo agoYou open with corporations want less regulations then give an example of corporations using law to protect their interests around jailbreaking? Just like they did with copyright/IP rules and the million rules around cars You should ask the DIY diabetes community what they think of FDA regulations preventing modifications of medical devices. Being reductive about this stuff is not a helpful framing.
- palata 5mo agoAs a hacker, I want antitrust to break TooBigTech such that they can't cryptographically lock me out of everything. Those who want less regulation are not hackers, but rich and powerful assholes.
- card_zero 5mo agoHey, I'm not rich and powerful, how dare you.
- wallst07 5mo agoRegulations are also restrictions, lots of people here are pro regulation when it comes to things they don't like. This topic is just unfavorable with this community... for good reasons.
- thomasingalls 5mo agowhat i personally don't like about privacy-preserving age verification is the single subsequent law change that would criminalize individuals for "improperly" doing age verification. it'd be so easy to do, and would immediately make obsolete any measures taken digitally to preserve privacy
- palata 5mo agoHow would an individual improperly do age verification?