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I suppose that only applies if you constrain yourself to a raw teletypewriter emulator… in any proper coding environment, editing HTML should be absolutely simp

by 9dev 5mo ago

I suppose that only applies if you constrain yourself to a raw teletypewriter emulator… in any proper coding environment, editing HTML should be absolutely simple - even an embedded WYSIWYG editor would be an option if rich model output is a way we head into.

teiferer 5mo ago
A counter argument would be that all programming languages of the last decades have been plain text based. No other more structured format has ever gained traction even though modern editors could be argued to be able to support that easily. Turns out, it doesn't actually work that way.
- dkersten 5mo ago
  Most people edit documents in Microsoft word, though, so it didn’t seem too far fetched that LLM content would be edited similarly, especially as more and more non-programmers use it.
  - pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
    MS Word uses HTML under the hood, right? (Or some SGML at least.)
    - dkersten 5mo ago
      It was less a comment about the format and more a comment about the application used to do the editing.
- 9dev 5mo ago
  But we’re not even dealing with a programming language in any classical sense here. Interacting with an LLM coding system is a multi-mode communication system with on-demand, purpose-generated ephemeral UI. That doesn’t fit any of the established categories, so I think carrying over constraints from them doesn’t make sense either.
  - coldtea 5mo ago
    >with on-demand, purpose-generated ephemeral UI Nope, it's a fixed, coded and shipped UI: the agent TUI.
    - 9dev 5mo ago
      Even Claude Code can whip up interactive, tabbed, multiple choice questions for example. If you use the superpowers plugin, it'll sometimes spawn a small web server demoing UI concepts or previewing more complex choices using LLM-generated HTML. Claude Code on the web will do even more involved React apps on the fly next to the chat. There's no technical reasons this couldn't get more complex, or vertically integrated with code editors. I'd definitely call that on-demand, purpose-generated ephemeral UI.
- IanCal 5mo ago
  HTML is plain text based at the same level as any programming language I can think of.
- thaumasiotes 5mo ago
  There's a visual editor for Windows Forms apps that is well thought of.

by 9dev 5mo ago

teiferer 5mo ago

A counter argument would be that all programming languages of the last decades have been plain text based. No other more structured format has ever gained traction even though modern editors could be argued to be able to support that easily. Turns out, it doesn't actually work that way.

dkersten 5mo ago
Most people edit documents in Microsoft word, though, so it didn’t seem too far fetched that LLM content would be edited similarly, especially as more and more non-programmers use it.
- pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
  MS Word uses HTML under the hood, right? (Or some SGML at least.)
  - dkersten 5mo ago
    It was less a comment about the format and more a comment about the application used to do the editing.
9dev 5mo ago
But we’re not even dealing with a programming language in any classical sense here. Interacting with an LLM coding system is a multi-mode communication system with on-demand, purpose-generated ephemeral UI. That doesn’t fit any of the established categories, so I think carrying over constraints from them doesn’t make sense either.
- coldtea 5mo ago
  >with on-demand, purpose-generated ephemeral UI Nope, it's a fixed, coded and shipped UI: the agent TUI.
  - 9dev 5mo ago
    Even Claude Code can whip up interactive, tabbed, multiple choice questions for example. If you use the superpowers plugin, it'll sometimes spawn a small web server demoing UI concepts or previewing more complex choices using LLM-generated HTML. Claude Code on the web will do even more involved React apps on the fly next to the chat. There's no technical reasons this couldn't get more complex, or vertically integrated with code editors. I'd definitely call that on-demand, purpose-generated ephemeral UI.
IanCal 5mo ago
HTML is plain text based at the same level as any programming language I can think of.
thaumasiotes 5mo ago
There's a visual editor for Windows Forms apps that is well thought of.