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yet i still can’t use basic autopilot on the highway because it phantom brakes every 2 hours

radial_symmetry 5mo ago
Are you on an extremely old version or something? I have had my model Y for 5 years and it only phantom braked once ever.
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- aetherspawn 5mo ago
  Many countries in the world are on a 6+ year old version of Autopilot, yeah..
ajross 5mo ago
So, that's not my experience with current FSD versions. But whatever, sure. Let's accept your data point as measured: Every... TWO HOURS?! I mean, come on. Put a camera on yourself or another human driver. There's an unexpected braking event at least that often, almost always in a more dangerous situation. The human failure tends to be failing to detect a real obstacle, vs. slowing for a phantom one. This is just too much. If you don't like it don't use it. But to pretend that stomps-the-brakes-every-few-hours is a stop ship kind of safety bug is quite frankly ridiculous.
- tzs 5mo ago
  > Every... TWO HOURS?! I mean, come on. Put a camera on yourself or another human driver. There's an unexpected braking event at least that often, almost always in a more dangerous situation Wait...what are counting as an "unexpected braking event"? I can't think of anything I do with brakes that would not be counted as ordinary braking that happens anywhere near as often as every two hours.
  - ajross 5mo ago
    I mean that you stomp on your brakes to avoid rear ending a car you didn't notice stopping. That is objectively more dangerous a situation than "phantom braking" and far, far, FAR more common. I know, I know, you're a perfect driver and would never fail to notice an obstacle. But the rest of us aren't.
    - sumeno 5mo ago
      You should not be driving if you are having to slam on your brakes to avoid rear ending someone every two hours. You are a danger to yourself and everyone around you
    - Dylan16807 5mo ago
      I, uh, don't think the median driver goes through that. Maybe you tailgate really aggressively?
      - ajross 5mo ago
        It's like clockwork. Everyone who hates Tesla just so happens to be a preturnaturally fantastic driver. Yet everyone I drive with, and me, and everyone around me isn't. I just can't understand it. To wit, I, uh, don't believe a word you're saying. No one drives in traffic without an occasional oops. And the people who claim not to are, uh, almost certainly the worst of the bunch.
        Dylan16807 5mo ago
        > It's like clockwork. Everyone who hates Tesla just so happens to be a preturnaturally fantastic driver. I said nothing about Tesla and I said nothing about my driving. If you really want to know, I would not claim I'm a better than average driver. I don't think "very rarely has to unexpectedly brake hard" is something you need to be a particularly good driver to accomplish.
    - tzs 5mo ago
      I'm pretty sure I am in fact only very rarely stomping my brakes, because since I drive with one pedal driving mode on I use my brakes rarely enough that I notice when I'm using them. Maybe I simply don't drive often in circumstances where there are cars suddenly stopping ahead of me? I keep a pretty decent gap between me and the car ahead, unless I'm in stop and go traffic in which case I usually am using adaptive cruise control. I've been planning to get an OBD2 scanner and an app that can report details on EV battery health, because a battery health report is the only thing that I'd get if used the dealer that is 15 miles away (and an hour bus ride away if I don't want to wait there) for scheduled maintenance that I don't get if I go to the independent service center a 10 minute walk away. Perhaps I'll try to find one that can also log my brake activity to see if I'm somehow just not noticing a lot of brake stomping.
- sumeno 5mo ago
  If you are having unexpected braking events every 2 hours you should be paying better attention to your driving. I go months without them
aetherspawn 5mo ago
Autopilot (no longer for sale) is so unsafe I’m surprised there’s no class action for owners to force Tesla to upgrade it to FSD for free. Especially in right hand drive markets (non US) it’s even worse than Toyota’s radar cruise. I’ve nearly been killed by it about 5 times because it randomly steers into fences and things. It also randomly fails to change lanes (1 in 100), and then just randomly steers full lock and goes out of control. Model 3 - Highland
- lotsofpulp 5mo ago
  Autopilot in my 2024 Model Y never changes lanes. That has always been a feature restricted to “Full” Self Driving. Autopilot is just lane assist and cruise control. I can’t recall anytime either Autopilot or FSD put me in danger though.
  - aetherspawn 5mo ago
    The branding is confusing. I’m talking about the paid version of Autopilot, which was for sale for $5000, sometimes called “Autopilot Plus”. For right hand drive markets, it seems to be a stripped down version of FSD 10 or 11. It automatically changes lanes, takes corners and highway exits, but does not stop at traffic lights. It drives exactly in the middle of the lane, doesn’t shuffle over for trucks, and is easily confused.
    - dzhiurgis 5mo ago
      Are you sure you own a Tesla? Because nothing what you say makes sense.
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      - aetherspawn 5mo ago
        https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-enhanced-autopilot-goes-off-sale-for-new-cars-in-australia-as-full-self-driving-rolls-out/ https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-enhanced-autopilot-goes-...
amarant 5mo ago
Really? That's weird, I owned a Tesla in Sweden for 2 years and had perhaps 3 ghost break events total. I used autopilot(not fsd) a lot.

Are you on an extremely old version or something? I have had my model Y for 5 years and it only phantom braked once ever.

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aetherspawn 5mo ago
Many countries in the world are on a 6+ year old version of Autopilot, yeah..

ajross 5mo ago

So, that's not my experience with current FSD versions. But whatever, sure. Let's accept your data point as measured: Every... TWO HOURS?! I mean, come on. Put a camera on yourself or another human driver. There's an unexpected braking event at least that often, almost always in a more dangerous situation. The human failure tends to be failing to detect a real obstacle, vs. slowing for a phantom one. This is just too much. If you don't like it don't use it. But to pretend that stomps-the-brakes-every-few-hours is a stop ship kind of safety bug is quite frankly ridiculous.

tzs 5mo ago
> Every... TWO HOURS?! I mean, come on. Put a camera on yourself or another human driver. There's an unexpected braking event at least that often, almost always in a more dangerous situation Wait...what are counting as an "unexpected braking event"? I can't think of anything I do with brakes that would not be counted as ordinary braking that happens anywhere near as often as every two hours.
- ajross 5mo ago
  I mean that you stomp on your brakes to avoid rear ending a car you didn't notice stopping. That is objectively more dangerous a situation than "phantom braking" and far, far, FAR more common. I know, I know, you're a perfect driver and would never fail to notice an obstacle. But the rest of us aren't.
  - sumeno 5mo ago
    You should not be driving if you are having to slam on your brakes to avoid rear ending someone every two hours. You are a danger to yourself and everyone around you
  - Dylan16807 5mo ago
    I, uh, don't think the median driver goes through that. Maybe you tailgate really aggressively?
    - ajross 5mo ago
      It's like clockwork. Everyone who hates Tesla just so happens to be a preturnaturally fantastic driver. Yet everyone I drive with, and me, and everyone around me isn't. I just can't understand it. To wit, I, uh, don't believe a word you're saying. No one drives in traffic without an occasional oops. And the people who claim not to are, uh, almost certainly the worst of the bunch.
      - Dylan16807 5mo ago
        > It's like clockwork. Everyone who hates Tesla just so happens to be a preturnaturally fantastic driver. I said nothing about Tesla and I said nothing about my driving. If you really want to know, I would not claim I'm a better than average driver. I don't think "very rarely has to unexpectedly brake hard" is something you need to be a particularly good driver to accomplish.
  - tzs 5mo ago
    I'm pretty sure I am in fact only very rarely stomping my brakes, because since I drive with one pedal driving mode on I use my brakes rarely enough that I notice when I'm using them. Maybe I simply don't drive often in circumstances where there are cars suddenly stopping ahead of me? I keep a pretty decent gap between me and the car ahead, unless I'm in stop and go traffic in which case I usually am using adaptive cruise control. I've been planning to get an OBD2 scanner and an app that can report details on EV battery health, because a battery health report is the only thing that I'd get if used the dealer that is 15 miles away (and an hour bus ride away if I don't want to wait there) for scheduled maintenance that I don't get if I go to the independent service center a 10 minute walk away. Perhaps I'll try to find one that can also log my brake activity to see if I'm somehow just not noticing a lot of brake stomping.
sumeno 5mo ago
If you are having unexpected braking events every 2 hours you should be paying better attention to your driving. I go months without them

aetherspawn 5mo ago

Autopilot (no longer for sale) is so unsafe I’m surprised there’s no class action for owners to force Tesla to upgrade it to FSD for free. Especially in right hand drive markets (non US) it’s even worse than Toyota’s radar cruise. I’ve nearly been killed by it about 5 times because it randomly steers into fences and things. It also randomly fails to change lanes (1 in 100), and then just randomly steers full lock and goes out of control. Model 3 - Highland

lotsofpulp 5mo ago
Autopilot in my 2024 Model Y never changes lanes. That has always been a feature restricted to “Full” Self Driving. Autopilot is just lane assist and cruise control. I can’t recall anytime either Autopilot or FSD put me in danger though.
- aetherspawn 5mo ago
  The branding is confusing. I’m talking about the paid version of Autopilot, which was for sale for $5000, sometimes called “Autopilot Plus”. For right hand drive markets, it seems to be a stripped down version of FSD 10 or 11. It automatically changes lanes, takes corners and highway exits, but does not stop at traffic lights. It drives exactly in the middle of the lane, doesn’t shuffle over for trucks, and is easily confused.
  - dzhiurgis 5mo ago
    Are you sure you own a Tesla? Because nothing what you say makes sense.
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    - aetherspawn 5mo ago
      https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-enhanced-autopilot-goes-off-sale-for-new-cars-in-australia-as-full-self-driving-rolls-out/ https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-enhanced-autopilot-goes-...

amarant 5mo ago

Really? That's weird, I owned a Tesla in Sweden for 2 years and had perhaps 3 ghost break events total. I used autopilot(not fsd) a lot.