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archive.is just asked me for a QRcode scan, I'm so ashame of that crap (it's behind Cloudflare), forcing website visitors to KYC? Are you guys insane!? the web

archive.is just asked me for a QRcode scan, I'm so ashame of that crap (it's behind Cloudflare), forcing website visitors to KYC? Are you guys insane!? the web is ruined if you push for this, this is millions of websites that will suddenly force KYC? What...the...f https://ibb.co/X9Q6Y84 https://ibb.co/X9Q6Y84 By KYC, obviously it's because there is very few non-criminal ways to have a SIM without KYC and get a Google account for Playstore without a number, so every website visits will be attached to a real ID. I don't use a stock Android, right now I literally can't access many websites, this is genuinely crazy.

codedokode 6mo ago
Interesting, the text says "reCAPTCHA doesn't share your details with this site", but it says nothing about sharing your details with Google. Which means yes?
- duskdozer 6mo ago
  Naturally, "Your data is private[ly] and secure[ly stored in plain text on our servers so that it's only accessed by us and shared with the advertising partners we choose]."
Imustaskforhelp 6mo ago
> https://ibb.co/X9Q6Y84 https://ibb.co/X9Q6Y84 Wow, This is really bad :-( I think this is just gonna make viewing internet without a phone significantly harder especially with archive.is and the likes. Not sure, how relevant this is to the discussion but if it helps, I have made a project[0] which allows to archive archive.is pages on archive.org/wayback machine (this uses singlefile) Perhaps something like this can be used by community at scale too. Also, I hope that archive.is does something to fix this issue of requiring QR code and hopefully it doesn't become a permanent issue. [0]: https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-can-use-it-for-archive/ https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-ca...
tom1337 6mo ago
i wondered the same earlier and i am pretty sure they are just mimicking cloudflare's validation page. no way that cloudflare is paying reCAPTCHA when they have theor product, turnstile, available.
stavros 6mo ago
What? Don't Cloudflare literally have their own CAPTCHA service? Why are they using reCAPTCHA?
- gruez 6mo ago
  They mimic the cloudflare captcha page but they're not hosted by cloudflare.
- pixel_popping 6mo ago
  Never understand this anymore, it's genuinely one of the easiest services to pay to bypass automatically (literally 3-liner of JS), webmasters are becoming incompetent.
  - deleted 6mo ago
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  - stavros 6mo ago
    If you don't understand something, the first thing to do is try to understand it, before going to "the people who use this are incompetent". In this case, the answer is right there in the question: You have to pay to bypass it.
    - pixel_popping 6mo ago
      Sometimes, people just do dumb choices, there is nothing to understand except plain lazyness, there is better captchas, free, non-invasive, more secure, GDPR compliant and so-on that are also not covered by captcha-solving providers, so what's the positive argument about reCaptcha?
      - stavros 6mo ago
        A very strong brand?
        pixel_popping 6mo ago
syntheticnature 6mo ago
I thought archive.is were the ones squabbling with Cloudflare (extreme simplification)
- altairprime 6mo ago
  Their squabble was to claim that Cloudflare wouldn’t let them collect identifying information about the original requestor. No doubt they’re thrilled by this change’s identity exposure.
j027 6mo ago
You can still use the audio captcha, but I’m not sure how long that’ll be around.
- BloodyIron 6mo ago
  Google will incur serious lawsuits if they remove that accessibility aspect.
  - a2128 6mo ago
    Google has already been crippling the audio CAPTCHA access for many years. If your trust score is low enough, the visual challenge is ridiculously slow and noisy, and pressing the audio challenge button will just give you an error saying "To protect our users, we can't process your request right now", accessibility be damned. Where are the lawsuits? I want to believe there are still forces that would create hell to pay for doing something so evil, but I'm not seeing any.
  - chrisjj 6mo ago
    They'll keep it, but require TPM in each ear.
  - actualwitch 6mo ago
    Haven't you heard? Accessibility is woke, and the institutions that are supposed to protect it are being dismantled. I wouldn't be counting on those lawsuits going anywhere personally.
- velocity3230 6mo ago
  Sound advice.
tocariimaa 6mo ago
The water is already boiling and the frog can't get out anymore.
riedel 6mo ago
I just tried using archive.is on my non-degoogled phone using IronFox instead of Chrome and could not pass the recaptcha. Actually it presented me the mobile attestation on second try, but I was able to switch to images again. But I am also unable to pass that one with the tracking protections built into the browser. Hopefully some 'serious' website starts using this so I can bomb their customer support.
zelphirkalt 6mo ago
For me this archive.is thing has been unusable for a long time already, because they rely on Google Captcha for a long time already and I block Google shit by default. Allowing Google is probably equivalent to showing them your id, due to fingerprinting in the name of "safety". That's why archive.is is not helpful and usually just a tab I close again right away.
duskdozer 6mo ago
Seriously? I didn't realize this was already happening. FWIW I still got the old captcha testing that site, and I often get flagged and blocked, though it's possible you're doing better.
- EmbarrassedHelp 6mo ago
  If you reload the page it'll give you a non QR code captcha to do. Hopefully it stays that way or attestation captchas are removed entirely.
tomrod 6mo ago
Even crazier is that there is nothing preventing agents from not using this. The hardware, signing, etc. can all operate as part of an autonomous agent stack. There is no benefit here to anyone.

codedokode 6mo ago

Interesting, the text says "reCAPTCHA doesn't share your details with this site", but it says nothing about sharing your details with Google. Which means yes?

duskdozer 6mo ago
Naturally, "Your data is private[ly] and secure[ly stored in plain text on our servers so that it's only accessed by us and shared with the advertising partners we choose]."

Imustaskforhelp 6mo ago

> https://ibb.co/X9Q6Y84 https://ibb.co/X9Q6Y84 Wow, This is really bad :-( I think this is just gonna make viewing internet without a phone significantly harder especially with archive.is and the likes. Not sure, how relevant this is to the discussion but if it helps, I have made a project[0] which allows to archive archive.is pages on archive.org/wayback machine (this uses singlefile) Perhaps something like this can be used by community at scale too. Also, I hope that archive.is does something to fix this issue of requiring QR code and hopefully it doesn't become a permanent issue. [0]: https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-can-use-it-for-archive/ https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-ca...

tom1337 6mo ago

i wondered the same earlier and i am pretty sure they are just mimicking cloudflare's validation page. no way that cloudflare is paying reCAPTCHA when they have theor product, turnstile, available.

stavros 6mo ago

What? Don't Cloudflare literally have their own CAPTCHA service? Why are they using reCAPTCHA?

gruez 6mo ago
They mimic the cloudflare captcha page but they're not hosted by cloudflare.
pixel_popping 6mo ago
Never understand this anymore, it's genuinely one of the easiest services to pay to bypass automatically (literally 3-liner of JS), webmasters are becoming incompetent.
- deleted 6mo ago
  [deleted]
- stavros 6mo ago
  If you don't understand something, the first thing to do is try to understand it, before going to "the people who use this are incompetent". In this case, the answer is right there in the question: You have to pay to bypass it.
  - pixel_popping 6mo ago
    Sometimes, people just do dumb choices, there is nothing to understand except plain lazyness, there is better captchas, free, non-invasive, more secure, GDPR compliant and so-on that are also not covered by captcha-solving providers, so what's the positive argument about reCaptcha?
    - stavros 6mo ago
      A very strong brand?
      - pixel_popping 6mo ago

syntheticnature 6mo ago

I thought archive.is were the ones squabbling with Cloudflare (extreme simplification)

altairprime 6mo ago
Their squabble was to claim that Cloudflare wouldn’t let them collect identifying information about the original requestor. No doubt they’re thrilled by this change’s identity exposure.

j027 6mo ago

You can still use the audio captcha, but I’m not sure how long that’ll be around.

BloodyIron 6mo ago
Google will incur serious lawsuits if they remove that accessibility aspect.
- a2128 6mo ago
  Google has already been crippling the audio CAPTCHA access for many years. If your trust score is low enough, the visual challenge is ridiculously slow and noisy, and pressing the audio challenge button will just give you an error saying "To protect our users, we can't process your request right now", accessibility be damned. Where are the lawsuits? I want to believe there are still forces that would create hell to pay for doing something so evil, but I'm not seeing any.
- chrisjj 6mo ago
  They'll keep it, but require TPM in each ear.
- actualwitch 6mo ago
  Haven't you heard? Accessibility is woke, and the institutions that are supposed to protect it are being dismantled. I wouldn't be counting on those lawsuits going anywhere personally.
velocity3230 6mo ago
Sound advice.

tocariimaa 6mo ago

The water is already boiling and the frog can't get out anymore.

riedel 6mo ago

I just tried using archive.is on my non-degoogled phone using IronFox instead of Chrome and could not pass the recaptcha. Actually it presented me the mobile attestation on second try, but I was able to switch to images again. But I am also unable to pass that one with the tracking protections built into the browser. Hopefully some 'serious' website starts using this so I can bomb their customer support.

zelphirkalt 6mo ago

For me this archive.is thing has been unusable for a long time already, because they rely on Google Captcha for a long time already and I block Google shit by default. Allowing Google is probably equivalent to showing them your id, due to fingerprinting in the name of "safety". That's why archive.is is not helpful and usually just a tab I close again right away.

duskdozer 6mo ago

Seriously? I didn't realize this was already happening. FWIW I still got the old captcha testing that site, and I often get flagged and blocked, though it's possible you're doing better.

EmbarrassedHelp 6mo ago
If you reload the page it'll give you a non QR code captcha to do. Hopefully it stays that way or attestation captchas are removed entirely.

tomrod 6mo ago

Even crazier is that there is nothing preventing agents from not using this. The hardware, signing, etc. can all operate as part of an autonomous agent stack. There is no benefit here to anyone.