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Maybe a dumb question, but how is this suppose to work for iphone users? They wont have google play, and it seems like android/google play is required here? The

by dgrin91 5mo ago

Maybe a dumb question, but how is this suppose to work for iphone users? They wont have google play, and it seems like android/google play is required here? There is no way they would cut out such a huge chunk of the market.

gruez 5mo ago
iPhones have attestation too: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/devicecheck/establishing-your-app-s-integrity https://developer.apple.com/documentation/devicecheck/establ... It'll just be more clunky because you have to install their app.
- pat2man 5mo ago
  They also have Private Access Tokens: https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=huqjyh7k https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=huqjyh7k
- jeroenhd 5mo ago
  I believe the latest versions of iOS just work from the browser, you only need to install the app for older versions of the OS. I don't know what technology they're using, but when I scanned the QR code it launched (downloaded?) an iOS app of sorts with one tap, similar to the way Google tried Instant Apps a few years back. Didn't even need to double tap the power button like usual.
  - thecatapps 5mo ago
    App Clips -- very underutilized but also very cool. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appclip https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appclip
JoshTriplett 5mo ago
The claim is that an iPad/iPhone will also work. Not that that makes it acceptable; if anything, it's worse, because if it were Google Play only it'd be more obvious how unacceptable it is, whereas catering to the duopoly makes it less obvious how much it excludes people and builds a reliance on proprietary systems.
- nicce 5mo ago
  One company can soon dictate who can enter the websites. And only two commercial operating systems are viable in the world after this change. Not nice.
magnio 5mo ago
Apple has device attestation deployed like one year before Google even proposed it: https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-attestation/ https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-att...
- doctorpangloss 5mo ago
  hacker news when discovering that apple deployed WEI, for ages, with beloved IT company Cloudflare, affecting hundreds of millions of users: "aww, you're sweet" hacker news when reading that google is doing the same thing for the rest of the userbase: "hello, human resources?"
  - raincole 5mo ago
    Really. I think HN hates Cloudflare with (quite unjustified if you ask me) searing passion.
    - dakolli 5mo ago
      In 2008, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) contacted Unspam Technologies, asking, "Do you have any idea how valuable the data you have is?" The DHS' email served as the impetus for Cloudflare, a technology company Prince co-founded with Holloway and fellow Harvard Business School graduate Michelle Zatlyn the following year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Prince#:~:text=In%202008%2C%20the,the%20following%20year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Prince#:~:text=In%2020... They're literally a government surveillance program larping as a private company, many such cases.
  - Dylan16807 5mo ago
    I thought that cloudflare system worked on any hardware and the tokens are anonymous. Did that change at some point? If it didn't change, then yeah it should get a very different reaction! (Edit: it looks like the new system is still private and still interlinked with the old system that lets you use any hardware? I think?) Also I don't know how you could have missed the widespread criticism of apple and especially cloudflare on this site.
nerdsniper 5mo ago
iPhone users will have to install the "reCAPTCHA" app. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/recaptcha/id6746882749 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/recaptcha/id6746882749 This is detailed at https://support.google.com/recaptcha/answer/16609652 https://support.google.com/recaptcha/answer/16609652
- donmcronald 5mo ago
  What's up with the reviews? It's pure spam and the 1-star review is completely hidden.

by dgrin91 5mo ago

gruez 5mo ago

iPhones have attestation too: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/devicecheck/establishing-your-app-s-integrity https://developer.apple.com/documentation/devicecheck/establ... It'll just be more clunky because you have to install their app.

pat2man 5mo ago
They also have Private Access Tokens: https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=huqjyh7k https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=huqjyh7k
jeroenhd 5mo ago
I believe the latest versions of iOS just work from the browser, you only need to install the app for older versions of the OS. I don't know what technology they're using, but when I scanned the QR code it launched (downloaded?) an iOS app of sorts with one tap, similar to the way Google tried Instant Apps a few years back. Didn't even need to double tap the power button like usual.
- thecatapps 5mo ago
  App Clips -- very underutilized but also very cool. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appclip https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appclip

JoshTriplett 5mo ago

The claim is that an iPad/iPhone will also work. Not that that makes it acceptable; if anything, it's worse, because if it were Google Play only it'd be more obvious how unacceptable it is, whereas catering to the duopoly makes it less obvious how much it excludes people and builds a reliance on proprietary systems.

nicce 5mo ago
One company can soon dictate who can enter the websites. And only two commercial operating systems are viable in the world after this change. Not nice.

magnio 5mo ago

Apple has device attestation deployed like one year before Google even proposed it: https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-attestation/ https://httptoolkit.com/blog/apple-private-access-tokens-att...

doctorpangloss 5mo ago
hacker news when discovering that apple deployed WEI, for ages, with beloved IT company Cloudflare, affecting hundreds of millions of users: "aww, you're sweet" hacker news when reading that google is doing the same thing for the rest of the userbase: "hello, human resources?"
- raincole 5mo ago
  Really. I think HN hates Cloudflare with (quite unjustified if you ask me) searing passion.
  - dakolli 5mo ago
    In 2008, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) contacted Unspam Technologies, asking, "Do you have any idea how valuable the data you have is?" The DHS' email served as the impetus for Cloudflare, a technology company Prince co-founded with Holloway and fellow Harvard Business School graduate Michelle Zatlyn the following year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Prince#:~:text=In%202008%2C%20the,the%20following%20year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Prince#:~:text=In%2020... They're literally a government surveillance program larping as a private company, many such cases.
- Dylan16807 5mo ago
  I thought that cloudflare system worked on any hardware and the tokens are anonymous. Did that change at some point? If it didn't change, then yeah it should get a very different reaction! (Edit: it looks like the new system is still private and still interlinked with the old system that lets you use any hardware? I think?) Also I don't know how you could have missed the widespread criticism of apple and especially cloudflare on this site.

nerdsniper 5mo ago

iPhone users will have to install the "reCAPTCHA" app. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/recaptcha/id6746882749 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/recaptcha/id6746882749 This is detailed at https://support.google.com/recaptcha/answer/16609652 https://support.google.com/recaptcha/answer/16609652

donmcronald 5mo ago
What's up with the reviews? It's pure spam and the 1-star review is completely hidden.