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I took a plunge into learning about mesh networks, specifically because I love the idea of p2p/decentralized systems of communication. To be honest, I was surpr

by moffers 5mo ago

I took a plunge into learning about mesh networks, specifically because I love the idea of p2p/decentralized systems of communication. To be honest, I was surprised to find that my expectations for “where we are at” with this type of technology was pretty off-base. For some reason I thought by now it would be straightforward to do a little more than text messaging over a truly public and decentralized off-internet mesh. Maybe I’ve missed some things in my search (still learning!) and someone can correct my understanding.

Panda_ 5mo ago
The Reticulum Network Stack is a more generic lora capable protocol. It is intended to run over almost any two way link so it's less bandwidth efficient per packet than Meshtastic but in return it gives you packet routing rather than flooding. It can be run over TCP, LoRa, WiFi, etc. https://reticulum.network/start.html https://reticulum.network/start.html has an overview and how to connect. There is a manual with a lot more information on how it works and the ideas behind it at https://reticulum.network/manual/ https://reticulum.network/manual/ however it's quite large and not really a user friendly guide If you just want to play with it https://reticulum.network/manual/software.html https://reticulum.network/manual/software.html has a list of clients and software using it.
- moffers 5mo ago
  This is awesome. I love that people are working on this. I wish for the day I can own a box that boots up, and gives me the 90s-00s internet experience without needing to ask permission from a bunch of middlemen.
  - disastronaut 5mo ago
    For the oldest school feel - https://spectrum.ieee.org/run-a-meshtastic-bbs https://spectrum.ieee.org/run-a-meshtastic-bbs
- itomato 5mo ago
  Reticulum has more to offer, it’s just not the welcome mat/filter the others are. Chit-chat is one thing.
- Melatonic 5mo ago
  Now that actually sounds interesting!
BadBadJellyBean 5mo ago
You can create a network tunnel over meshtastic with the CLI. I haven't had the time to try it but I assume it's quite slow.
- tclancy 5mo ago
  It's ok, I don't read that fast.
VLM 5mo ago
The thing you missed to search for Nyquist limit as applies to the triad of battery power use vs data speed vs range. There's also error rate in the equation... You can more or less only communicate with people agreeing with one specific tradeoff and the majority have spoken and they want slow long range texting, so you'll only be compatible with their mesh if you're compatible with that use case. The software works fine if you set up super high bit rate, although you will not like the short range. There is no such thing as a free lunch and something like Y2K wifi speeds will have Y2K wifi ranges and battery use LOL. Also you will not mesh with other people's infrastructure if you intentionally use a modulation scheme they don't use. Its quite capable, really. But if most people want to max out their possible range and secondarily max out their battery life, it isn't going to be very fast...

by moffers 5mo ago

Panda_ 5mo ago

The Reticulum Network Stack is a more generic lora capable protocol. It is intended to run over almost any two way link so it's less bandwidth efficient per packet than Meshtastic but in return it gives you packet routing rather than flooding. It can be run over TCP, LoRa, WiFi, etc. https://reticulum.network/start.html https://reticulum.network/start.html has an overview and how to connect. There is a manual with a lot more information on how it works and the ideas behind it at https://reticulum.network/manual/ https://reticulum.network/manual/ however it's quite large and not really a user friendly guide If you just want to play with it https://reticulum.network/manual/software.html https://reticulum.network/manual/software.html has a list of clients and software using it.

moffers 5mo ago
This is awesome. I love that people are working on this. I wish for the day I can own a box that boots up, and gives me the 90s-00s internet experience without needing to ask permission from a bunch of middlemen.
- disastronaut 5mo ago
  For the oldest school feel - https://spectrum.ieee.org/run-a-meshtastic-bbs https://spectrum.ieee.org/run-a-meshtastic-bbs
itomato 5mo ago
Reticulum has more to offer, it’s just not the welcome mat/filter the others are. Chit-chat is one thing.
Melatonic 5mo ago
Now that actually sounds interesting!

BadBadJellyBean 5mo ago

You can create a network tunnel over meshtastic with the CLI. I haven't had the time to try it but I assume it's quite slow.

tclancy 5mo ago
It's ok, I don't read that fast.

VLM 5mo ago

The thing you missed to search for Nyquist limit as applies to the triad of battery power use vs data speed vs range. There's also error rate in the equation... You can more or less only communicate with people agreeing with one specific tradeoff and the majority have spoken and they want slow long range texting, so you'll only be compatible with their mesh if you're compatible with that use case. The software works fine if you set up super high bit rate, although you will not like the short range. There is no such thing as a free lunch and something like Y2K wifi speeds will have Y2K wifi ranges and battery use LOL. Also you will not mesh with other people's infrastructure if you intentionally use a modulation scheme they don't use. Its quite capable, really. But if most people want to max out their possible range and secondarily max out their battery life, it isn't going to be very fast...