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This sounds crazy, I know, but perhaps boys and girls are different.

by xienze 6mo ago

imtringued 6mo ago
This comment explains absolutely nothing and it feels utterly irrelevant in either direction and probably shouldn't have been posted. It can be read negatively against boys or negatively against girls so why post it?
- xienze 6mo ago
  > This comment explains absolutely nothing Sure it does. Boys and girls are different. Hence, they receive different treatment, which the OP was originally befuddled by.
  - abc123abc123 6mo ago
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- arkey 6mo ago
  > It can be read negatively against boys or negatively against girls so why post it? This part I really do not understand. The undeniable fact that boys and girls are different in several aspects does not make either superior or inferior in value or in dignity. On the other hand, anything can be read negatively if you put enough will and effort into it, as so many people around here demonstrate. How about being a bit more constructive in our criticism?
- gwbas1c 6mo ago
  "but perhaps boys and girls are different" should be interpreted as a joke; specifically satire on people who actively push that there are no differences between the sexes. --- To bring some context: I have a friend who called up other friends in the group and repeats over and over that there's no difference between the sexes, that it's artificial, ect. He did this when he dated a trans woman, yet didn't seem to realize that his partner felt so strongly about their gender that they changed it.
blks 6mo ago
When you impose gender ideology, gender roles on them from age 0, yeah you will get vastly different outcomes for boys and girls.
- mihaic 6mo ago
  Yes, but you also get vastly different outcomes when you don't impose these as well.
  - almostjazz 6mo ago
    Where is the evidence that this is the case in humans?
    - mihaic 6mo ago
      Can you first define what you'd be comfortable considering as evidence before I spend time on this? I don't want to provide research just so the other party complains that there's still some cultural bias somewhere. Also, what kind of humans do you generally interact with? How many of these are children?
- mantas 6mo ago
  You may want to do some research on this thing called „hormones“ and how they differ in both genders.
  - blks 6mo ago
    Hormones don’t raise kids in particular gender norms, don’t carve them a place in society, don’t feed them gender-based culture 24/7. They do have a physical impact, impact on sexual development, their sex, reproductive function, temperament, but gender is a human invention.
    - graemep 6mo ago
      All those differences do impact roles in society. They let women breastfeed. They give men greater physical strength. Other biological differences make women become pregnant. These will affect roles in society. I am a proponent of paternity leave. The counter argument is always based on biological differences. So are the arguments for not having women in many roles in the armed forces. > gender is a human invention. That is a tautology. It is by definition.
joefourier 6mo ago
Boys and girls being different does not mean one sex deserves corporal punishment and one does not. Girls are equally capable of cyberbullying (which is covered by this law), why should they only get detention while a 9 year old boy has to suffer physical violence? What does this teach girls - that they can get away with more? That they're more fragile than even a prepubescent boy? If the law punishes one demographic less severely for the same actions, that's injustice. No different in principle from pre-modern practices where if a noble maimed a commoner, they'd just need to pay a fine, while if a commoner did the same, they'd be put to death.
- xdennis 6mo ago
  > Boys and girls being different does not mean one sex deserves corporal punishment and one does not. Girls are equally capable of cyberbullying (which is covered by this law), why should they only get detention while a 9 year old boy has to suffer physical violence? In many systems of law, the punishment should mirror the crime. You gouge out an eye -> the government gouges out one of your eyes. In every country, men commit almost all violent crimes. In school, boys physically bully other boys. Hence the physical punishment for them. > What does this teach girls - that they can get away with more? That they're more fragile than even a prepubescent boy? Yes, for homo sapiens, the female is more fragile than the male. This is basic biology. I'm sure that in praying mantis society, females get harsher punishments.
  - echoangle 6mo ago
    > In many systems of law, the punishment should mirror the crime. You gouge out an eye -> the government gouges out one of your eyes. Which systems aside form sharia law would that be? And also the claim was that this law also applies to cyberbullying. So why should boys that cyberbully someone be caned and girls not?
  - joefourier 6mo ago
    > In every country, men commit almost all violent crimes. In school, boys physically bully other boys. Hence the physical punishment for them. As I've said, and @echoangle repeated, caning is used for cyberbullying, which girls do too (at a rate relatively close to boys actually). If the law was caning in response to physical bullying, and it just so happened that the vast majority of offenders were boys, I would not object on the basic of sexism (I still would not approve of schools being allowed to physically punish students). > Yes, for homo sapiens, the female is more fragile than the male. This is basic biology. I'm sure that in praying mantis society, females get harsher punishments. There's no way the typical 16 year old girl is more fragile than the typical 9 year old boy, yet only the latter is subject to this punishment. Until children reach the age of 12 or so the strength difference is quite minor (and there's even a brief period where girls are taller and heavier). Also it's absurd to punish demographics differently based on their statistical averages. Redheads are less sensitive to pain, should your hair colour determine how many strokes of the cane you get?

This sounds crazy, I know, but perhaps boys and girls are different.

by xienze 6mo ago

This sounds crazy, I know, but perhaps boys and girls are different.

This comment explains absolutely nothing and it feels utterly irrelevant in either direction and probably shouldn't have been posted. It can be read negatively against boys or negatively against girls so why post it?

xienze 6mo ago
> This comment explains absolutely nothing Sure it does. Boys and girls are different. Hence, they receive different treatment, which the OP was originally befuddled by.
- abc123abc123 6mo ago
  [flagged]
arkey 6mo ago
> It can be read negatively against boys or negatively against girls so why post it? This part I really do not understand. The undeniable fact that boys and girls are different in several aspects does not make either superior or inferior in value or in dignity. On the other hand, anything can be read negatively if you put enough will and effort into it, as so many people around here demonstrate. How about being a bit more constructive in our criticism?
gwbas1c 6mo ago
"but perhaps boys and girls are different" should be interpreted as a joke; specifically satire on people who actively push that there are no differences between the sexes. --- To bring some context: I have a friend who called up other friends in the group and repeats over and over that there's no difference between the sexes, that it's artificial, ect. He did this when he dated a trans woman, yet didn't seem to realize that his partner felt so strongly about their gender that they changed it.

blks 6mo ago

When you impose gender ideology, gender roles on them from age 0, yeah you will get vastly different outcomes for boys and girls.

mihaic 6mo ago
Yes, but you also get vastly different outcomes when you don't impose these as well.
- almostjazz 6mo ago
  Where is the evidence that this is the case in humans?
  - mihaic 6mo ago
    Can you first define what you'd be comfortable considering as evidence before I spend time on this? I don't want to provide research just so the other party complains that there's still some cultural bias somewhere. Also, what kind of humans do you generally interact with? How many of these are children?
mantas 6mo ago
You may want to do some research on this thing called „hormones“ and how they differ in both genders.
- blks 6mo ago
  Hormones don’t raise kids in particular gender norms, don’t carve them a place in society, don’t feed them gender-based culture 24/7. They do have a physical impact, impact on sexual development, their sex, reproductive function, temperament, but gender is a human invention.
  - graemep 6mo ago
    All those differences do impact roles in society. They let women breastfeed. They give men greater physical strength. Other biological differences make women become pregnant. These will affect roles in society. I am a proponent of paternity leave. The counter argument is always based on biological differences. So are the arguments for not having women in many roles in the armed forces. > gender is a human invention. That is a tautology. It is by definition.

joefourier 6mo ago

Boys and girls being different does not mean one sex deserves corporal punishment and one does not. Girls are equally capable of cyberbullying (which is covered by this law), why should they only get detention while a 9 year old boy has to suffer physical violence? What does this teach girls - that they can get away with more? That they're more fragile than even a prepubescent boy? If the law punishes one demographic less severely for the same actions, that's injustice. No different in principle from pre-modern practices where if a noble maimed a commoner, they'd just need to pay a fine, while if a commoner did the same, they'd be put to death.

xdennis 6mo ago
> Boys and girls being different does not mean one sex deserves corporal punishment and one does not. Girls are equally capable of cyberbullying (which is covered by this law), why should they only get detention while a 9 year old boy has to suffer physical violence? In many systems of law, the punishment should mirror the crime. You gouge out an eye -> the government gouges out one of your eyes. In every country, men commit almost all violent crimes. In school, boys physically bully other boys. Hence the physical punishment for them. > What does this teach girls - that they can get away with more? That they're more fragile than even a prepubescent boy? Yes, for homo sapiens, the female is more fragile than the male. This is basic biology. I'm sure that in praying mantis society, females get harsher punishments.
- echoangle 6mo ago
  > In many systems of law, the punishment should mirror the crime. You gouge out an eye -> the government gouges out one of your eyes. Which systems aside form sharia law would that be? And also the claim was that this law also applies to cyberbullying. So why should boys that cyberbully someone be caned and girls not?
- joefourier 6mo ago
  > In every country, men commit almost all violent crimes. In school, boys physically bully other boys. Hence the physical punishment for them. As I've said, and @echoangle repeated, caning is used for cyberbullying, which girls do too (at a rate relatively close to boys actually). If the law was caning in response to physical bullying, and it just so happened that the vast majority of offenders were boys, I would not object on the basic of sexism (I still would not approve of schools being allowed to physically punish students). > Yes, for homo sapiens, the female is more fragile than the male. This is basic biology. I'm sure that in praying mantis society, females get harsher punishments. There's no way the typical 16 year old girl is more fragile than the typical 9 year old boy, yet only the latter is subject to this punishment. Until children reach the age of 12 or so the strength difference is quite minor (and there's even a brief period where girls are taller and heavier). Also it's absurd to punish demographics differently based on their statistical averages. Redheads are less sensitive to pain, should your hair colour determine how many strokes of the cane you get?