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Going from complaining about Apple not having enough polish in the fine details of their UI to suggesting we all switch to Chromebooks is so completely inconsis

Going from complaining about Apple not having enough polish in the fine details of their UI to suggesting we all switch to Chromebooks is so completely inconsistent that there must be other motivations. In one post they're complaining about things like Apple having the search bar in different locations in different apps, and in the next post they're seriously trying to tell us that a laptop that requires modifying the software and running shell commands copied from the internet so you can run a text editor to change settings and drivers is the solution? They dropped a note about how they haven't actually tried development on the chromebook at the end but say they assume it would be okay. For someone telling us to switch to Chromebooks, they haven't even finished doing their own homework Linking to an SEO spam website called technical.city for performance comparisons is another clue that this choice was driven by something else first and the reasoning was backfilled. The new MediaTek part is fast, but there's more to laptop performance than a single bar chart from a site citing ancient benchmarks like PassMark. I can't read this as anything other than an attempt to make a contrarian choice and then present it as the superior alternative.

bigyabai 6mo ago
It's possible that your own opinions are coloring this perspective. As a Linux user, if you gave me the choice between switching back to macOS or dailying ChromeOS instead, it's objectively (sadly) true that the ChromeOS machine would do a better job handling my daily tasks. Going back to macOS would require me to keep multiple desktop machines around for gaming, filesystem manipulation and native Linux containers. ChromeOS would be viable for all of those. > You can technically game on some Chromebooks, but come on. I just want the Steam edition of Dwarf Fortress, really =) > If you were trying to do native Linux development on a Chromebook you'd be going through more obstacles. Not really. Crostini has been supported for years, and it uses less resources than macOS containers while supporting normal filesystems instead of virtualizing it on APFS like Docker does.
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- inventor7777 6mo ago
  Have you heard of this? According to their GitHub, this should solve the issues you mentioned with Linux development on macOS. Note: I have not used it myself as I find macOS+Brew sufficient for my tasks. https://github.com/apple/container https://github.com/apple/container
  - traderj0e 6mo ago
    Can I put Ubuntu on this and it works exactly the same as on any other ARM machine? Supposedly yes https://docs.getutm.app/guides/ubuntu/ https://docs.getutm.app/guides/ubuntu/ but have you actually done it? Honestly this and Crostini both look like there are too many caveats. I'd just SSH into an Rpi for anything that won't natively run in macOS. And would not even deal with Chromebook. P.S. I +1'd bigyabai's comment only to save it from being marked dead; why is someone downvoting that??
    - hirvi74 6mo ago
      > have you actually done it? Yes. What do you mean by "works exactly the same?" The same as Ubuntu installed on an ARM laptop? No, there is not GUI, DE, and a lot of tools are stripped. You can literally pull this down and get it up and running in minutes: https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu/ https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu/ Rosetta is not necessary to get this working either. Now, there maybe some warts with DNS that you might encounter depending on if you have a certain VPNs running, use dnsmasq, etc.. But there are potential workarounds for many issues. If you want a full VM, I would recommend Lima/Colima. If you need a full VM with GUI and all, then maybe use something like Parallels, VMware Fusion, etc..
      - traderj0e 6mo ago
        I mean like same as Ubuntu on an x86 laptop for general work. This is assuming you don't have any specific need for x86 binaries, but you also never know what might randomly require it. Would've tried it myself but I'm away from my Mac rn. I'll try again. Last time I tried UTM specifically for reading an ext4-formatted SD card in my MacBook's internal slot, I couldn't get it to interface with the reader, but that works on Chromebooks' Linux VM supposedly.
- pjmlp 6mo ago
  Crostini has been WIP for years, unless you happen to buy a Google device, this is what will happen in most OEMs, https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-library/guides/containers/containers-and-vms/ https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-library/guide...
traderj0e 6mo ago
"After my last blog post I received tons and tons of emails from people mentioning that they switched to X or Y because of Liquid Glass, and much like them, I switched away from the Apple ecosystem thanks to these ongoing issues as well." Then within 2 sentences: "So this blog post is about my painful journey trying to find a nice piece of hardware that works and feels just as good as Apple's hardware as a web developer." So yeah I really don't get the motivation
- nolist_policy 6mo ago
  A Chromebook gets you the elegant UI, touchpad gestures, slim vertically integrated system architecture and the reliable sleep mode of a MacBook without Liquid Glass. Plus Chromebooks have the better keyboard layout IMHO.
  - carlosjobim 6mo ago
    So does a MacBook on Sonoma or Monterey.
  - traderj0e 6mo ago
    Oh I misread the author's complaints about hardware as "software." Ok assuming the author hates liquid glass enough to switch cause of that, and doesn't have the same standard of polish for hardware, at least the post is self-consistent. I don't believe the claims of Lenovo hardware (esp trackpad) being as good as a MacBook's, but he thinks it is, so up to him. The keyboard layout is annoying cause control-C is both copy and kill.
    - nolist_policy 6mo ago
      With the default terminal you copy by selecting, like X11, and paste with right-click.
      - traderj0e 6mo ago
        So select is select or copy, right click is open menu or paste, both depending on whether or not you're in the terminal. Control-C is also copy or kill, and iirc shift-control-c is nothing or copy. There's a meta key on the keyboard, idk why they can't just do meta-c meta-v everywhere. Same in Ubuntu.
NetOpWibby 6mo ago
I scrolled to the bottom and this passage caught my eye: Since you have a proper linux under the hood, you can easily install and use things like nodejs / npm etc as well. I immediately closed the tab.
nekooooo 6mo ago
forest for the trees engineer behaviour

bigyabai 6mo ago

It's possible that your own opinions are coloring this perspective. As a Linux user, if you gave me the choice between switching back to macOS or dailying ChromeOS instead, it's objectively (sadly) true that the ChromeOS machine would do a better job handling my daily tasks. Going back to macOS would require me to keep multiple desktop machines around for gaming, filesystem manipulation and native Linux containers. ChromeOS would be viable for all of those. > You can technically game on some Chromebooks, but come on. I just want the Steam edition of Dwarf Fortress, really =) > If you were trying to do native Linux development on a Chromebook you'd be going through more obstacles. Not really. Crostini has been supported for years, and it uses less resources than macOS containers while supporting normal filesystems instead of virtualizing it on APFS like Docker does.

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inventor7777 6mo ago
Have you heard of this? According to their GitHub, this should solve the issues you mentioned with Linux development on macOS. Note: I have not used it myself as I find macOS+Brew sufficient for my tasks. https://github.com/apple/container https://github.com/apple/container
- traderj0e 6mo ago
  Can I put Ubuntu on this and it works exactly the same as on any other ARM machine? Supposedly yes https://docs.getutm.app/guides/ubuntu/ https://docs.getutm.app/guides/ubuntu/ but have you actually done it? Honestly this and Crostini both look like there are too many caveats. I'd just SSH into an Rpi for anything that won't natively run in macOS. And would not even deal with Chromebook. P.S. I +1'd bigyabai's comment only to save it from being marked dead; why is someone downvoting that??
  - hirvi74 6mo ago
    > have you actually done it? Yes. What do you mean by "works exactly the same?" The same as Ubuntu installed on an ARM laptop? No, there is not GUI, DE, and a lot of tools are stripped. You can literally pull this down and get it up and running in minutes: https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu/ https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu/ Rosetta is not necessary to get this working either. Now, there maybe some warts with DNS that you might encounter depending on if you have a certain VPNs running, use dnsmasq, etc.. But there are potential workarounds for many issues. If you want a full VM, I would recommend Lima/Colima. If you need a full VM with GUI and all, then maybe use something like Parallels, VMware Fusion, etc..
    - traderj0e 6mo ago
      I mean like same as Ubuntu on an x86 laptop for general work. This is assuming you don't have any specific need for x86 binaries, but you also never know what might randomly require it. Would've tried it myself but I'm away from my Mac rn. I'll try again. Last time I tried UTM specifically for reading an ext4-formatted SD card in my MacBook's internal slot, I couldn't get it to interface with the reader, but that works on Chromebooks' Linux VM supposedly.
pjmlp 6mo ago
Crostini has been WIP for years, unless you happen to buy a Google device, this is what will happen in most OEMs, https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-library/guides/containers/containers-and-vms/ https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-library/guide...

traderj0e 6mo ago

"After my last blog post I received tons and tons of emails from people mentioning that they switched to X or Y because of Liquid Glass, and much like them, I switched away from the Apple ecosystem thanks to these ongoing issues as well." Then within 2 sentences: "So this blog post is about my painful journey trying to find a nice piece of hardware that works and feels just as good as Apple's hardware as a web developer." So yeah I really don't get the motivation

nolist_policy 6mo ago
A Chromebook gets you the elegant UI, touchpad gestures, slim vertically integrated system architecture and the reliable sleep mode of a MacBook without Liquid Glass. Plus Chromebooks have the better keyboard layout IMHO.
- carlosjobim 6mo ago
  So does a MacBook on Sonoma or Monterey.
- traderj0e 6mo ago
  Oh I misread the author's complaints about hardware as "software." Ok assuming the author hates liquid glass enough to switch cause of that, and doesn't have the same standard of polish for hardware, at least the post is self-consistent. I don't believe the claims of Lenovo hardware (esp trackpad) being as good as a MacBook's, but he thinks it is, so up to him. The keyboard layout is annoying cause control-C is both copy and kill.
  - nolist_policy 6mo ago
    With the default terminal you copy by selecting, like X11, and paste with right-click.
    - traderj0e 6mo ago
      So select is select or copy, right click is open menu or paste, both depending on whether or not you're in the terminal. Control-C is also copy or kill, and iirc shift-control-c is nothing or copy. There's a meta key on the keyboard, idk why they can't just do meta-c meta-v everywhere. Same in Ubuntu.

NetOpWibby 6mo ago

I scrolled to the bottom and this passage caught my eye: Since you have a proper linux under the hood, you can easily install and use things like nodejs / npm etc as well. I immediately closed the tab.

nekooooo 6mo ago

forest for the trees engineer behaviour