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> In the end it's nerds messing with hardware. Am I being lazy or does this imply that all (or true) nerds are anarchist anti-capitalist feminists.

t-3 5mo ago
No. Some $x do $y does not imply that all/most/many/true $x do $y. It implies that some $x do $y.
- lynx97 5mo ago
  Well, yes, but no. Hacker Community projects increasingly force political agendas on participants. It gets harder and harder to just do tech stuff without having to align with some cabal.
  - stackghost 5mo ago
    Being apolitical just means your politics align with the status quo. Technology is inherently political in nature, because it affects society in material ways.
    - Joker_vD 5mo ago
      > because it affects society in material ways. I'm fairly certain the word for that is "economical". Of course, the politics grows out of the economical relationships, but they are still different things: changes in technology may or may not change the political climate (I am fairly certain that an invention of e.g. a tin can opener did not have any noticeably political effects).
      - t-3 5mo ago
        > (I am fairly certain that an invention of e.g. a tin can opener did not have any noticeably political effects). The tin can certainly did though! "Can openers" are particularly distinct refinement of the cutting tool for a specific application, but not any kind of new technology.
    - lynx97 5mo ago
      "If you are not supporting us, you are the enemy" isn't a valid take. But it shows nicely the sentiment which turns me off regarding politics in tech. You can't even stay neutral, because someone will force you to align with their values. "My way or the highway" pretty much.
      - stackghost 5mo ago
        Again, "staying neutral" by definition means you're aligned with the way things are. It is a political stance whether you recognize it or not. If you weren't okay with the way things are, then you wouldn't be neutral.
- tolerance 5mo ago
  Right. But "in the end" people who participate in "permacomputing" per the websites stated values represent a subset of nerds. I think the rebuttal we're commenting on oversimplifies this.
boomlinde 5mo ago
Yes, you're being lazy

t-3 5mo ago

No. Some $x do $y does not imply that all/most/many/true $x do $y. It implies that some $x do $y.

lynx97 5mo ago
Well, yes, but no. Hacker Community projects increasingly force political agendas on participants. It gets harder and harder to just do tech stuff without having to align with some cabal.
- stackghost 5mo ago
  Being apolitical just means your politics align with the status quo. Technology is inherently political in nature, because it affects society in material ways.
  - Joker_vD 5mo ago
    > because it affects society in material ways. I'm fairly certain the word for that is "economical". Of course, the politics grows out of the economical relationships, but they are still different things: changes in technology may or may not change the political climate (I am fairly certain that an invention of e.g. a tin can opener did not have any noticeably political effects).
    - t-3 5mo ago
      > (I am fairly certain that an invention of e.g. a tin can opener did not have any noticeably political effects). The tin can certainly did though! "Can openers" are particularly distinct refinement of the cutting tool for a specific application, but not any kind of new technology.
  - lynx97 5mo ago
    "If you are not supporting us, you are the enemy" isn't a valid take. But it shows nicely the sentiment which turns me off regarding politics in tech. You can't even stay neutral, because someone will force you to align with their values. "My way or the highway" pretty much.
    - stackghost 5mo ago
      Again, "staying neutral" by definition means you're aligned with the way things are. It is a political stance whether you recognize it or not. If you weren't okay with the way things are, then you wouldn't be neutral.
tolerance 5mo ago
Right. But "in the end" people who participate in "permacomputing" per the websites stated values represent a subset of nerds. I think the rebuttal we're commenting on oversimplifies this.

boomlinde 5mo ago

Yes, you're being lazy