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This is going to make my grapheneos journey a bit more exciting. How wild to force users through an official google identification for web browsing. Does the i
by hellojesus 5mo ago
This is going to make my grapheneos journey a bit more exciting. How wild to force users through an official google identification for web browsing.
Does the iPhone recaptcha app force you to login with a Google account? Seems we didn't need ID verification for the web to lose all anonymity.
- lucb1e 5mo agoI'd rather have to do ID verification at a government site that gives out blindable RSA signatures to browse the web with using open source software, than this overseas tech company needing to lock down the whole device and tech stack and not have to 'show ID' at all. One of these two holds elections... Music/movie corporations and game developers must look forward to an age where people can't access the cache files or hook up a debugger to their apps anymore
- LorenPechtel 5mo agoOne of them pretends to hold elections.
- xp84 5mo agoDoes it only count as an election if one’s favorite side wins?
- achierius 5mo agoWhat if neither side represents your interests? What "election" is there in that case?
- lucb1e 5mo agoThere's more than two sides here. None of the 14 parties with >1 seat in parliament fully represents my best understanding of how to improve the country and world on any time scale (long or short), but quite a few of them come reasonably close and I would vote for them without much hesitation (Heck, I wish there were fewer parties, like if five single-topic good parties (bij1 against racism, pirate party for internet freedoms, volt for international collaboration, party animals for environmental welfare, etc., plus greenworkersparty as the current overarching big boy) would band together, it'd be a much easier choice!) That not every country is so lucky (not all of them have free elections, or elections at all) is a shame indeed, but at least for countries like mine I'd be much happier to have a government arrange a system than a tech corporation and foreign laws. Presuming that the 2-party system you speak of is the USA's, at least both corps are governed by your own laws, that's something!
- g-b-r 5mo agoCan you candidate yourself in that election?
- xp84 5mo agoI'm sure many are tempted to dismiss this comment, but I think it's actually great. It's incredibly easy to complain about the options out there, really easy to vilify any or all of the parties as controlled by satan/evil corporations/communists/fascists. What's harder? Convincing enough people to matter (in some kind of election-based system) to get behind your platform - either with you as a candidate, or working to promote a candidate or party or movement that you do believe in. People talk like their changemaking ideas are very widely held - the way people talk it's like they believe 75%+ of the country must actually agree with them - but then they don't run for office on such a popular platform that it should be a sure election win, yes even with countervailing forces such as electoral college, Senate, etc.
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 5mo agoSimply live somewhere that doesn’t have a broken electoral system.
- zx8080 5mo agoLike the Moon or Mars? The power is not something for the people for free.
- microtonal 5mo agoSome Western European democracies have a well-functioning democracy. The people voting are still humans, a substantial portion votes for racist parties that economically only benefit big corporations and not them, but the damage is limited because there is no winner-takes-all. Everyone has to accept compromises.
- account42 5mo ago> Some Western European democracies have a well-functioning democracy. Which ones?
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- lesuorac 5mo agoWhich public corporation do you think doesn't hold elections?
- hn_go_brrrrr 5mo agoGoogle. The Class B stock setup means Class A shareholders are shouting into a void.
- lesuorac 5mo agoThat's still an election. It's not even Gerrymandering, a company you willingly bought stock from has always had this setup. Contrast that to most American's experience of their vote just not mattering outside of a few swing states. Having to move across states is such a more drastic requirement than just not buying Google A stock.
- lucb1e 5mo agoPardon but I don't remember the last time I was invited to vote for the tech corp's elections that gets a say in whether I am human
- userbinator 5mo agoI'd rather have no ID verification at all. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
- realusername 5mo agoSame, I've never seen any app or website where an ID registration would make sense. No thanks.
- lucb1e 5mo agoWhat's the alternative though?
- broken-kebab 5mo agoI guess history made us different. Personally I have reasons to be equally distrustful to anyone who wants to know too much about me, but much more afraid of my gov't than overseas entities.
- handoflixue 5mo agoIn this specific case, why fear the government? My government has already seen my government-issued ID. If my government hasn't worked out my phone number, they can always ask the phone company. My address is required for the ID, voting, and filing taxes. I don't see how the government learns anything from this? Conversely, I would like to believe most companies do not have my government-issued ID, nor a lot of the information on it.
- wyldberry 5mo agoFrom an American perspective, i don't trust the government with the implementation details, nor do I trust our political climate, misaligned incentives, and general disinterest in good governance to implement something so sensitive. If I lived in say, Sweden, I feel much more comfortable trusting their government to implement. In America, I feel I must always vote in a way that prevents giving any power to the government that I wouldn't want my political opponents to have over me.
- slaw 5mo agothe grass is always greener on the other side
- AlecSchueler 5mo agoYou think people in Nordic countries think they'd be able to trust their government more if they were American?
- slaw 5mo agoOP never lived in Europe and is looking through rose-colored glasses.
- xbmcuser 5mo agoone of these also rounds up people and sends them of to overseas concentration camps without due process. I think maybe white people still don't get what the rest of the world is living or experiencing.
- batrat 5mo agoSorry, I trust Google more than my government for my data. I mean I trust photos, youtube, music, gmail, wallet, keep, etc. what is that I have left anyway? It's sad that we started from open web, but we ended up in the hands of few. Apple/Samsung, Google, Microsoft, Amazon decide basically how I live my life. I don't want to (and sometimes I try to hard), but I don't want to give up the convenience also, but not only mine, also for my family is in the same pot.
- x______________ 5mo agoGoogle will comply if your government needs information on you. Are you sure your trust isn't misguided?
- ForHackernews 5mo agoGiven the chance, Google would kill you by accident. "We're very sorry, your access to G-Pacemaker was accidentally revoked when your accounts were closed for suspicious behavior after watching a YouTube video without subtitles in a language we hadn't realized you were learning. Unfortunately, there no is appeals process as your heartbeat was terminated immediately."
- codethief 5mo agoAnother GrapheneOS user here. Does Play Integrity attestation require the user to be logged in? I wouldn't be surprised but technically it doesn't seem necessary.