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> OpenAI submitted the journals as evidence in October that was initially sealed and then unsealed in January. How does that work? How can a company submit a p
by dgellow 6mo ago
> OpenAI submitted the journals as evidence in October that was initially sealed and then unsealed in January.
How does that work? How can a company submit a personal journal as evidence? That feels extremely intrusive
- jeffwask 6mo agoHe kept them on his work laptop, and they were swept up in discovery. Don't ignore your security team when they talk about data protection and not doing personal business on work devices.
- cogman10 6mo agoEven if it were a notebook, it could end up in court. If someone sees you writing in a book and talks about it during discovery, you can end up with a court order to produce that book.
- bombcar 6mo agoDiscovery can even be more broad - "provide all written or recorded messages involving this decision" and if you "forget" about your private diary and it's later found out, that's a paddlin'.
- jeffwask 6mo agoAbsolutely, they can be but your lawyers at least have a leg to stand on to push for exclusion. If they are just sitting next to the PowerPoint you gave on Tuesday, they will definitely be included.
- cogman10 6mo agoIf you learn anything from this, it's that anything you write can ultimately show up in court. You have no right to privacy and your written words, no matter where they are written, are subject to be taken as evidence. Yes it feels intrusive, but it's literally the first thing a lawyer would ask for.
- pohl 6mo agoLaunder your personal journal through an LLM, folks. That way the sentiments can't be provably your own.
- bombcar 6mo agoPeople should be up-to-date on discovery and LLMs, multiple cases of interactions with an LLM being subpoenaed.
- MassiveQuasar 6mo agoSubpoena my local llm logs. I wouldn’t hold my breath.
- palmotea 6mo ago> Subpoena my local llm logs. I wouldn’t hold my breath. Couldn't the subpoena your computer for forensic investigation?
- MassiveQuasar 6mo agoMy point is that if you dont keep the logs or encrypt then good luck with that. The log would be the very journal that the LLM wrote.
- freejazz 6mo agoThey'll just do discovery for the LLM interactions...
- pjc50 6mo agoDiscovery is a lot more intrusive than people expect.
- wafflemaker 6mo ago>Discovery is a lot more intrusive than people expect. As an outside observer (from Europe), but with all my knowledge of law originating from American TV, Is it the same in other countries, or is American system special in the case of discovery?
- bombcar 6mo agoDiscovery is terribly intrusive and invasive, more than you would ever think. It's one of the huge reasons that lawsuits are often settled, because ain't nobody want all the dirty laundry aired. Discovery asking for a peon's diary is likely to get squashed pretty easily, discovery asking for the president's personal diary is likely to be approved if there's an argument it applies (and likely you'll see what happened here, it's provided sealed, and if both sides agree it's applicable, it's unsealed).