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Fedora is now the default Linux recommendation, and Ubuntu did this to itself
- fduran 5mo agoFedora may be becoming the default for desktops, not for servers (Debian possibly the default for servers).
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoActually on servers RHEL is still the default (43% server OS market share), followed by Ubuntu at 34%, Debian at 16% and SuSE at 11%. https://commandlinux.com/statistics/linux-server-market-share/ https://commandlinux.com/statistics/linux-server-market-shar...
- marysol5 5mo agoEnterprises love RHEL because of the paid support, even if they never use it, it's "there".
- ChocolateGod 5mo agoRed Hat will also support you using 15 year old versions of Linux if you pay them enough, the military love that.
- red-iron-pine 5mo agoCYA is SOP. gotta have an escalation path or other fallbacks.
- mkj 5mo agoThey're talking about billions of dollars of market share, so how does debian get a mention being free? I'm suspicious of their methodology. At least the infographics down the bottom are obviously full of slop
- roryirvine 5mo agoNo sources cited, and the supposed author churns out multiple articles a day on Linux, gambling, and AI content strategy. Not sure I'd put any weight whatsoever on those figures! (and how would they even compare a commercial offering with something like Debian that doesn't even have popcon enabled by default?)
- nineteen999 5mo agoFedora is upstream for RHEL, which is absolutely dominant in the server space some sectors that require enterprise support.
- joe200 5mo agoWhy do you think Debian for servers only ? Did you use Debian SID or Testing as a desktop ?
- andsoitis 5mo agoRecommended by whom?
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoRecommended by João Carrasqueira, a "Lead Windows Editor" at XDA[1], who "has been covering the tech world for over 7 years, with a heavy focus on laptops and the Windows ecosystem". Clearly an expert on Linux distros, as you can see. [1] https://www.xda-developers.com/author/joao-xda/ https://www.xda-developers.com/author/joao-xda/
- grim_io 5mo agoXDA is a normie consumer site, beware conflating consumer with professional recommendations.
- red-iron-pine 5mo agoXDA has the hackerist of hackers uploading random android ROMs a whole freakin lot of mobile code is essentially just a couple random dudes on XDA making something work. definitely not 'normie'
- ChocolateGod 5mo agoA few of the recent XDA posts about Linux are shitting on game developers for not supporting anti-cheat on Linux, claiming it's a simple switch and they're bad for not doing it. So not an expert on Linux by any means.
- PaulKeeble 5mo agoUbuntu has fallen out of favour with quite a lot of Linux recommender sites and reviewers and its mainly about flatpak and Gnome, but also gaming support by default. Other Linux distributions do things better now for the influx of gamers to Linux and with SteamOS being on Arch a lot of Arch deriatives are becoming increasingly popular. I don't think its Fedora picking up users, its Cachyos and Bazzite.
- slau 5mo agoIsn’t Bazzite based on Fedora?
- esperent 5mo agoWhat are the specific issues with gaming that you're claiming Ubuntu has? I've been using Ubuntu for a few months, and I have complaints - lots of them. But gaming isn't one. I just installed the apps I needed and they worked.
- ChocolateGod 5mo agoLinux distributions shouldn't ship with Steam installed and imho bundling it makes a bad precedent. Steam should be easy to install (whether from a store like Flathub) instead.
- chocochunks 5mo agoWhy? With Bazzite and similar that's kind of the whole point of them existing. Just installing Steam from Flathub or the repo is not going to get the same level of integration (gaming mode, etc.). Bazzite works really well on my PC handheld and I don't think a generic distro with Steam added after the fact would be the same. Id you want a distro without Steam bundled there are lots of those.
- ChocolateGod 5mo ago> Why? With Bazzite and similar that's kind of the whole point of them existing. Just installing Steam from Flathub or the repo is not going to get the same level of integration This shows a weakness than in the Linux desktop ecosystem that something has to be bundled to correctly integrate with the system. It's no different to Chinese OEMs bundling additional stores with their phones.
- CodesInChaos 5mo agoHow well does Fedora handle proprietary software nowadays? For example the Nvidia driver, Steam, Rider or video codecs. I negatively remember their patent paranoia regarding elliptic curve cryptography. My favourite feature of Manjaro (and presumably Arch) is how easily I can install almost any software from a single package manager (which supports the official repos, flatpak and AUR). While on Mint I had to mess with custom package sources, or install individual vendor provided packages which lacked auto-update.
- mono442 5mo agothere's a third party repo called rpmfusion for that
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoThere's still a bit of manual work involved to install the codecs (and proprietary drivers if you need em), which is why I would never recommend vanilla Fedora to a newbie - but Fedora derivatives exist to address that issue. Ultramarine[1] is one such easy-to-use derivative, and for gamers there's Nobara[2] and Bazzite[3] (an immutable distro). [1] https://ultramarine-linux.org/ https://ultramarine-linux.org/ [2] https://nobaraproject.org/ https://nobaraproject.org/ [3] https://bazzite.gg/ https://bazzite.gg/
- red-iron-pine 5mo agoi've never really understood what bazzite offers that stock fedora does not. like steam works out of the box just fine on plain ole fedora 41, and my AMD card is supported without issue. runs CP2077 flawlessly. literally, steam out of the box is just adding rpmfusion repos, which you're probably gonna do anyway if you want stuff like vlc or other tools
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoIt's a lot more than just Steam, it's a custom kernel, custom CPU scheduler, additional drivers for game controllers, drivers for handheld devices and a bunch of other tweaks and tools (Bazaar, Lutris, MangoHUD, ujust scripts etc). But more than all that, the biggest draw for Bazzite is that it's an immutable distro with atomic updates, so updates "just work" and it's very very hard to break the system. And in the rare event you get a bad update, you can just boot to the previous two images right from the boot menu, no need for any commands or restores - just boot the image and keep using it without any worries. You can pin known good images too, so you know for sure you always have a working image you can boot into. And you have access to the previous 90 days of images (via Github), so you can switch to any old image (or the latest beta) for bug/regression testing, without needing to do lengthy backups and restores. All this makes it ideal for someone who just wants their system to work without worrying about updates and stuff, getting you a console-like experience on PC.
- 999900000999 5mo agoBacked by IBM/ Red Hat a US based company. I trust the German government to have more respect for privacy rights at this point. So I use Open Suse Tumbleweed. It’s been pretty stable , although with nvidia you have to do a bit more.
- whatevaa 5mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47318830 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47318830 Suse is up for sale.
- 999900000999 5mo agoI don’t imagine the German government will allow it to be sold to a non EU entity. But there’s always NixOS.
- red-iron-pine 5mo agowell then to Arch it is
- rowanG077 5mo agoI still don't understand how people can run Debian/Ubuntu. Every single time I have tried my environment in the span of a few months turns into a wet ball of mud with various levels of breakages. It's honestly astounding how bad it is. Once in a while I install a newly released version and naively think "Surely this problem is now fixed". But no, it's terrible.
- nineteen999 5mo agoBack in the 1990's I was fond of it for the community spirit, the attention to detail, the way things "just worked" even it had a particular take on some things. Over time it felt like it became burderned with design-by-committee decisions, maintainers leaving and abandoning packages faster than they could replace them, and just a bit too political.
- joe200 5mo agoI have used in my life many different Linux distributions: Slackware, Red Hat, Ubuntu, Debian (professionally or privately). My private choice is the only one not driven by marketing: Debian. You have three main Debian releases: SID (if you need to be as close as possible to upstream versions) Testing (the same as above but a few days after SID) Stable (you sacrifice the latest software versions for insane stability) Which one did you use ? And please don't mix Debian and Ubuntu. Canonical is commercial company driven by profit (and CEO's bonus). Debian is driven by community and (mostly) engineers.
- grim_io 5mo agoIf you use a Linux desktop professionally, it's only a matter of time until you hit that one GUI app that you need, that is only supported on Ubuntu. I prefer Tumbleweed, but the sane choice remains Ubuntu.
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoDistrobox exists for that very reason. No need to ruin your main OS just to run one app.
- grim_io 5mo agoDistrobox is great for cli apps and stuff not touching mesa/drivers. It's very awkward or unusable otherwise.
- d3Xt3r 5mo agoHasn't been my experience, running KDE Wayland on host with amdgpu. Just had to pass `--extra-flags "env GDK_BACKEND=wayland"` when exporting the app. Zero issues, far from being unusable. In fact you can even run an entire DE from Distrobox if you wanted to, although I can imagine that being a bit awkward. But a single GUI app? Shouldn't be an issue unless you've got a tricky/niche setup.
- grim_io 5mo agoThis is again the argument of the power user arguing that everyone should just become the expert in the power users domain. As long as the Kernel ist compatible, sure, technically. This is not what I would consider "supported". This is not something a company wants to deal with on every single Linux client.
- hollerith 5mo ago>This is not something a company wants to deal with on every single Linux client. A company following your recommendation would need to deal with installing and upgrading the software "on every single" Ubuntu client. I fail see how that is any easier than installing and upgrading it in an Ubuntu Distrobox on every single client running some other flavor of Linux.
- aitchnyu 5mo agoFor brand new hardware, Fedora gets the niggle-free experience faster than Ubuntu. 5K screens are treated as two separate devices "under the hood", many Ubuntu software didnt honor the abstraction, hence the monitor layout, notifications, taskbar etc were treating each half as a full monitor.
- bcjdjsndon 5mo agoAre they both still a nightmare to setup and/or use?
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- eowln 5mo agoI doubt Canonical cares much about the desktop segment, at least the segment that doesn't pay. They seem to be focusing on servers. Or at least that's what it seems to me.
- solarkraft 5mo ago> There's also the fact that Ubuntu ships with the GNOME desktop environment, and really only GNOME. This is a feature. Standardization is what makes „Works on Ubuntu“ a stable target. I also dislike Snap and the various other Ubuntu anti-features, which is why I recommend Pop OS - at least I did when it was a light weight Ubuntu fork, it may not be anymore. This is just a rando‘s opinion, so it may not be based on that, but my intuition from a few years ago is that Debian/Ubuntu still has a reliable lead in the availability of software packages, especially less popular ones: You’ll almost never find something that doesn’t work on Ubuntu, for other distros this happens sometimes. Has this changed? Maybe with the widespread adoption of Flatpak this is not much of an issue for consumer apps anymore?
- red-iron-pine 5mo agoyeah PopOS has been getting kind of weird lately
- aarond0623 5mo agoAlso kind of a weird complaint given how tied to Gnome Fedora is. Yes there are other spins but Gnome is the default DE.
- 7bit 5mo agoWho cares about that random opinion.
- m-p-3 5mo agoI do appreciate what Fedora does, particularly on the subject of immutability. OStree and Bootc are great mecanisms that are based on existing concepts (git and OCI containers). IMO that is a great step towards stability and security.