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What extortion are you claiming? Are you claiming there will be a fee?

by gowld 5mo ago

ceejayoz 5mo ago
> What extortion are you claiming? Universities: https://www.npr.org/2026/01/29/nx-s1-5559293/trump-settlements-colleges-universities https://www.npr.org/2026/01/29/nx-s1-5559293/trump-settlemen... Companies: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/extortionary-intel-stake-sale-to-us-must-be-voided-suit-says https://news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/extortionary-intel-stake-s... Law firms: https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-law-firms--deals-with-trump-are-even-riskier-than-they-seem https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-law-firms--deals-wi... Media: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/business/media/paramount-trump-60-minutes-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/business/media/paramount-... Why would AI companies be any different? > Are you claiming there will be a fee? I'd be more concerned with "your model can't be too woke" regulatory scenarios.
- giwook 5mo ago
  > I'd be more concerned with "your model can't be too woke" regulatory scenarios. Honestly that's exactly where my mind went. We already see the current administration trying to censor free speech (e.g. Jimmy Kimmel, blocking/restricting press access to the White House unless you are pro-Trump). I'm afraid of the potential to move in the direction of what we see in China where queries to LLMs referencing things like Tianenmen Square are censored (at best).
  - pphysch 5mo ago
    > I'm afraid of the potential to move in the direction of what we see in China where queries to LLMs referencing things like Tianenmen Square are censored (at best). We are already there. "Canva admits its AI tool removed 'Palestine' from designs: https://gizmodo.com/canva-admits-its-ai-tool-removed-palestine-from-designs-apologizes-for-any-distress-it-caused-2000751215 https://gizmodo.com/canva-admits-its-ai-tool-removed-palesti...
  - gardenhedge 5mo ago
    I'm not american but it seems like americans are MORE free to speak their minds now than before in terms of being banned/silenced by dominating online platforms
    - AlecSchueler 5mo ago
      The government literally removed research into trans-fats because of their transphobia. Much free speech
    - giwook 5mo ago
      Not sure what you're trying to say here, but I get the sense you don't have enough information as to what's going on here (nothing wrong with that, I've been trying to tune out myself). Regardless: "...an increasing number of travelers report being questioned about legally protected online speech when crossing the border." https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/travel/airport-border-phone-search.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/travel/airport-border-pho...
      - gardenhedge 5mo ago
        I am saying it "seems like americans are MORE free to speak their minds now than before in terms of being banned/silenced by dominating online platforms". Previously you could not post about certain subjects around covid, ivermectin, anything not in line with woke ideology, political scandals. Accounts would be banned. Communities were shut down on Reddit. High profile figures were banned from Twitter. Now you can post whatever you like on most of these platforms. That's not just me who thinks that by the way, it's a widely discussed thing. Zuckerberg even cited government pressure around content suppression and censorship. Do you disagree?
        ceejayoz 5mo ago
        > High profile figures were banned from Twitter. One of Musk's first acts as owner was to do that. https://x.com/elonjet https://x.com/elonjet (and the journalists reporting on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensi...) (After previously explicitly promising not to, citing… freedom of speech! https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456) Bunch more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X#2023 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X#2023 > anything not in line with woke ideology How did so many Republican politicians survive on there?! > Now you can post whatever you like on most of these platforms. As long as it isn't the word "cisgender". https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/elon-musk-free-speech-twitter-will-treat-cisgender-slur https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/elon-musk-free-speec... Or a link to Mastodon. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63999452 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63999452 > Zuckerberg even cited government pressure around content suppression and censorship. To curry favor with the new admin, sure. > Accounts would be banned. Communities were shut down on Reddit. This happens regularly, today. https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedSubs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedSubs/
- grosswait 5mo ago
  Or your model is not "woke enough"
  - ceejayoz 5mo ago
    I have very little patience for bothsidesism at this point.
    - techno303 5mo ago
      why? Most regulations (ADA, affirmative action, etc.) fall into the "not woke enough" category of model regulation. Current administration aside, complaints of this sort are more likely. It’s absurd, really, to believe there would be a regulation governing a model being too woke; regulation itself is woke
      - ceejayoz 5mo ago
        The ADA isn't about wokeness. It's about being able to live in society with a disability.
        techno303 5mo ago
        Limiting a business's ability to exist because they can't afford to accommodate a small percentage of the population is 100% about wokeness
        ceejayoz 5mo ago
        Well, we've just now defined safety rules, health codes, paying taxes, and the like as "woke". You'd be calling the First Amendment woke if we proposed it now.
        jasonlotito 5mo ago
        "Woke" is just a dog whistle. It's used by anti-intellectuals on the right to signal their allegiance to whatever their dear leader says, and is used to say "I am triggered by this idea" regardless of what the idea is. Anything can be woke to these people, up to and including the 2nd Amendment.

What extortion are you claiming? Are you claiming there will be a fee?

by gowld 5mo ago

What extortion are you claiming? Are you claiming there will be a fee?

> What extortion are you claiming? Universities: https://www.npr.org/2026/01/29/nx-s1-5559293/trump-settlements-colleges-universities https://www.npr.org/2026/01/29/nx-s1-5559293/trump-settlemen... Companies: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/extortionary-intel-stake-sale-to-us-must-be-voided-suit-says https://news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/extortionary-intel-stake-s... Law firms: https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-law-firms--deals-with-trump-are-even-riskier-than-they-seem https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/the-law-firms--deals-wi... Media: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/business/media/paramount-trump-60-minutes-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/business/media/paramount-... Why would AI companies be any different? > Are you claiming there will be a fee? I'd be more concerned with "your model can't be too woke" regulatory scenarios.

giwook 5mo ago
> I'd be more concerned with "your model can't be too woke" regulatory scenarios. Honestly that's exactly where my mind went. We already see the current administration trying to censor free speech (e.g. Jimmy Kimmel, blocking/restricting press access to the White House unless you are pro-Trump). I'm afraid of the potential to move in the direction of what we see in China where queries to LLMs referencing things like Tianenmen Square are censored (at best).
- pphysch 5mo ago
  > I'm afraid of the potential to move in the direction of what we see in China where queries to LLMs referencing things like Tianenmen Square are censored (at best). We are already there. "Canva admits its AI tool removed 'Palestine' from designs: https://gizmodo.com/canva-admits-its-ai-tool-removed-palestine-from-designs-apologizes-for-any-distress-it-caused-2000751215 https://gizmodo.com/canva-admits-its-ai-tool-removed-palesti...
- gardenhedge 5mo ago
  I'm not american but it seems like americans are MORE free to speak their minds now than before in terms of being banned/silenced by dominating online platforms
  - AlecSchueler 5mo ago
    The government literally removed research into trans-fats because of their transphobia. Much free speech
  - giwook 5mo ago
    Not sure what you're trying to say here, but I get the sense you don't have enough information as to what's going on here (nothing wrong with that, I've been trying to tune out myself). Regardless: "...an increasing number of travelers report being questioned about legally protected online speech when crossing the border." https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/travel/airport-border-phone-search.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/travel/airport-border-pho...
    - gardenhedge 5mo ago
      I am saying it "seems like americans are MORE free to speak their minds now than before in terms of being banned/silenced by dominating online platforms". Previously you could not post about certain subjects around covid, ivermectin, anything not in line with woke ideology, political scandals. Accounts would be banned. Communities were shut down on Reddit. High profile figures were banned from Twitter. Now you can post whatever you like on most of these platforms. That's not just me who thinks that by the way, it's a widely discussed thing. Zuckerberg even cited government pressure around content suppression and censorship. Do you disagree?
      - ceejayoz 5mo ago
        > High profile figures were banned from Twitter. One of Musk's first acts as owner was to do that. https://x.com/elonjet https://x.com/elonjet (and the journalists reporting on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensi...) (After previously explicitly promising not to, citing… freedom of speech! https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456 https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456) Bunch more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X#2023 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspensions_on_X#2023 > anything not in line with woke ideology How did so many Republican politicians survive on there?! > Now you can post whatever you like on most of these platforms. As long as it isn't the word "cisgender". https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/elon-musk-free-speech-twitter-will-treat-cisgender-slur https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/elon-musk-free-speec... Or a link to Mastodon. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63999452 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63999452 > Zuckerberg even cited government pressure around content suppression and censorship. To curry favor with the new admin, sure. > Accounts would be banned. Communities were shut down on Reddit. This happens regularly, today. https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedSubs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BannedSubs/
grosswait 5mo ago
Or your model is not "woke enough"
- ceejayoz 5mo ago
  I have very little patience for bothsidesism at this point.
  - techno303 5mo ago
    why? Most regulations (ADA, affirmative action, etc.) fall into the "not woke enough" category of model regulation. Current administration aside, complaints of this sort are more likely. It’s absurd, really, to believe there would be a regulation governing a model being too woke; regulation itself is woke
    - ceejayoz 5mo ago
      The ADA isn't about wokeness. It's about being able to live in society with a disability.
      - techno303 5mo ago
        Limiting a business's ability to exist because they can't afford to accommodate a small percentage of the population is 100% about wokeness
        ceejayoz 5mo ago
        Well, we've just now defined safety rules, health codes, paying taxes, and the like as "woke". You'd be calling the First Amendment woke if we proposed it now.
        jasonlotito 5mo ago
        "Woke" is just a dog whistle. It's used by anti-intellectuals on the right to signal their allegiance to whatever their dear leader says, and is used to say "I am triggered by this idea" regardless of what the idea is. Anything can be woke to these people, up to and including the 2nd Amendment.