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Incident with Actions – Resolved
- mholt 5mo agoWe get it. We should probably take a break on these. It's probably more newsworthy now when GitHub is "up".
- wastondev 5mo ago[dead]
- foundatron 5mo agoI re-ask this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47979968 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47979968 If everyone is vibecoding, and SaaS plays have no moats anymore, and everyone says they are mad at Github's reliability...why aren't there like 10 viable replacements already? Why are you still using Github?
- r24y 5mo agoMy theory is that vibecoded replacements haven't succeeded for the same reason why GitHub's quality has declined: because vibecoding/AI software development isn't as efficient as believed when measuring real-world outcomes.
- foundatron 5mo agoYes, yes, yes. I think this is perfect natural experiment to see if saas moats really have gotten smaller...or if that was just an AI mirage.
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- foundatron 5mo agoOne (small, stupid) reason for me is claude code works really well the gh cli.
- foundatron 5mo agoAnother reason is Github Actions. For all of it's problems ( supply chain, reliability issues...to name a few ), it's tight integration with Github (not git) events is pretty great (when it works).
- rhdunn 5mo agoLocally, I'm using gitolite+cgit. I was previously using Gitea, but that didn't suit my requirements. I'm using GitHub for my open source projects as: 1. While GitHub Actions has its issues and doesn't work for everyone, I've found it easy to build and test an IntelliJ plugin against multiple IntelliJ versions. 2. I don't have to pay for and manage the hosting of the git repository.
- eightysixfour 5mo agoClaude Code web won't let me use my gitea instance.
- foundatron 5mo agoWhat do you mean? like it doesn't doesn't know how to perform a actions on it like it does with the gh cli? fwiw in a different comment i cited gh cli X claude code as one of the reasons I still github.
- eightysixfour 5mo agoClaude Code in the CLI works fine. I mean if you want to use the Claude Code web interface (https://claude.ai/code https://claude.ai/code), the literal first step is connect to github.
- pbronez 5mo agoThis video suggests OpenAI is actively developing an alternative to GitHub https://youtu.be/f3u57jkwBFE?si=FJuxZfmc-i7EkPlx https://youtu.be/f3u57jkwBFE?si=FJuxZfmc-i7EkPlx
- Brian_K_White 5mo agoThat's not what they mean. That would still be a moat, just for OpenAI instead of Microsoft. They mean anyone who wants a github (eventually) can just tell their own ai to make them a github on the spot.
- graemep 5mo agoInertia, because 'every one uses it', network effects, integrations
- fridder 5mo agoBecause my corporate overlord does
- foundatron 5mo agoi have a lot of sway over what git+cicd system my corporate overlord uses. As I am very Github alternative curious right now, if anyone is pushing alternative git+cicd stack, I want to hear it.
- gpm 5mo ago> SaaS plays have no moats anymore I have yet to see literally anyone say this. I have yet to even see anyone claim that software can't constitute a moat anymore but I expect that there are people saying that. GitHub has a huge non-software moat in the form of network effects, brand recognition, and good will. The hardest part isn't making a "forge", it's making money off of making a forge. Getting a sufficiently large number of paying customers. If GitHub doesn't get their quality issues under control someone probably will manage to breach that moat and take over the market. It's not like there's a lack of competitors (Pre-llm: GitLab, BitBucket, Gitea, Source Hut, etc. Post LLM: Tangled, esrc is promising something any day now. Probably more in both camps that don't come to mind).
- foundatron 5mo ago>> SaaS plays have no moats anymore > I have yet to see literally anyone say this. I've heard a lot of people say this...including myself after a root beers. I think you just have to look to any time an AI feature is announced and some related companies stock price crumbles. Just google something like "stock price tumbles after anthropic announces" or something like that.
- johnfn 5mo ago- There are already viable GitHub replacements, like Codeberg, Bitbucket, Gitlab, etc. Everyone stays on Github for network effects, not because of the superior product. You can't vibe code network effects. - And yes, GitHub is a massive product with like 50 different huge features. No reasonable person would say you can trivially vibecode that. Vibecoding would still make it easier. I feel this argument is a bit silly, no? "Ah, you can't vibecode GitHub in a weekend? That proves vibecoding was a mirage!" Surely even the most fervent anti-AI skeptic must admit there must be some middle ground between "a mirage" and "can literally replace millions of man-hours of work".
- tomrod 5mo agoForge-jo is super interesting too!
- tardedmeme 5mo agoWhat network effects does GitHub have? Every repository is independent. It's like saying GoDaddy has network effects.
- johnfn 5mo agoEveryone already has an account, so there's no friction to opening up issues, adding thumbs up to issues, using the discussion forum, etc. And while I think it's pretty silly, a lot of people take "10k stars on GitHub" to be a positive signal, and you can only get there when you have 10k people willing to star on your platform.
- tardedmeme 5mo ago"sign in with github" could easily achieve that
- SoftTalker 5mo agoWhy do network effects matter for "in-house" (i.e. corporate/commercial) software work? Open-source projects, yes I can sort of get it, you want to be where the contributors are (but there are downsides to that also).
- smallerfish 5mo ago> Why are you still using Github? Show me the VCs who are willing to fund the marketing effort that would be needed to conquer the network-effects moat, and I'm in.
- QuantumNomad_ 5mo agoI run my own Forgejo instance. I still have a GitHub account I actively use. GitHub outages and stuff don’t really affect me, so I have no great reason to leave. But I have good reason to stay, because that’s where everyone else is already.
- CharlesW 5mo ago> Why are you still using Github? Stars. Grifters have discovered vibe-coding and the ability to buy GitHub stars, followers, etc. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=buy+GitHub+stars&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=buy+GitHub+stars&ia=web
- tardedmeme 5mo agoWhy do stars and followers matter? Who is looking at them?
- hootz 5mo agoVenture capital.
- deepdarkforest 5mo agocompute?? Github is struggling because of compute, which comes from everyone vibecoding and triggering actions 10x more. I can vibecode an alternative, but once i have users, who is going to secure this amount of compute? Compute+talent to manage it(devops isnt vibecoded *yet) is a moat
- bulte-rs 5mo agoWhy care about making a commercial alternative? I just want a “forge” for my team that looks like a combination of GitHub and tangled (stacked PRs and JJ). So I’m working on waza.sh. I have NO intent on making it commercial, nor open-source (unless someone wants to collab on it). Will it need compute? Yes! For my team only. So a dedicated box at OVH/Hetzner for 30eu is more than sufficient.
- deepdarkforest 5mo agolol do you not have actual stuff to prioritize for your team rather than re inventing forges? there are quite a few open source alternatives if you want something quick. Fork them. No need to re invent the wheel
- bulte-rs 5mo ago$COMPANY is on Github now, thinking of moving to Codeberg/Forgejo. This is a personal pet project, just to see what it might look like, how it would work, to satisfy personal curiosity. If it comes to the point that it actually becomes usable for the team (read: actually add value), then it's up to $TEAM to decide whether to use it or not. I would hate my team to waste company time on such an endeavour. ;-)
- 1970-01-01 5mo agoIt's a great question. I'm assuming it is due to devs being too lazy to fight the momentum. Go ahead an switch services if five-nines uptime is critical to your codebase. The daily HN complaint isn't going to move mountains for you... oh, maybe next outage then, if you're not too busy? Right..
- dspillett 5mo ago> Why are you still using Github? Because everyone wants the fake internet points (sorry, stars) to mention on their CV. Because there are already a number of viable alternatives, them not being chosen has nothing to do with AI coding but other factors like market momentum & network effects and familiarity. They are used, just much less so. If there are already good alternatives, why would anyone vibe code a new one any more than they would write a new one manually? Forges are not sexy stuff, and the existence of numerous decent free ones means that you aren't going to be able to sell a new one in any way (paid accounts, stalking/advertising, …) at least not until it has a significant following and that is unlikely to happen because of the reasons above. People not wanting to use github (or one of the common alternatives that already exist) are more likely to just use git as-is, and other tolls as needed for issue tracking, CI, etc, than to create a new forge.
- xvilka 5mo agoAll the more reason to donate to Forgejo/Codeberg[1][2] or contribute the code to SourceHut[3]. [1] https://liberapay.com/forgejo https://liberapay.com/forgejo [2] https://donate.codeberg.org/ https://donate.codeberg.org/ [3] https://sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sourcehut/ https://sr.ht/~sircmpwn/sourcehut/
- LorenDB 5mo agoDown to 84.88% uptime: https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses/ https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses/ Can't even do three 8s properly.
- armanj 5mo agoHow reliable is this uptime? and why it's sooo different from gh's official status numbers?
- deleted 5mo ago[deleted]
- fridder 5mo agoThere is a link to the repo to verify the code and explain their process
- datadrivenangel 5mo ago1. This one counts downtime from any service, so if anything is down or degraded they count it as 100% down, which is harsh. 2. Github is doing some classic big org sneaky things where they don't count degraded service fully. So if github actions is partially down for most people in a away that makes you say "github is down", there's a good chance that microsoft doesn't count that or counts it partially instead.
- xvilka 5mo ago> Github is doing some classic big org sneaky things where they don't count degraded service fully. Even worse example is the Travis CI. For more than a year their CI jobs sometimes get stuck or do not start for days, and, surprise-surprise, it's never shown at their status page[1] - always green. We would switch to something else entirely if not the unique offering of PowerPC and SystemZ servers/runners. Apart from that - it's the worst CI service I used so far. [1] https://www.traviscistatus.com/history https://www.traviscistatus.com/history
- xnorswap 5mo ago
- michalsustr 5mo agoWhy don’t they just raise GitHub actions prices? Supply and demand, that would sort itself
- kilroy123 5mo agoI agree. This is what I keep wondering. Just go back to pro accounts for $10 a month. That would likely sort out a lot of this.
- chrisjj 5mo agoThat kinda presumes demand is the problem. Unless you're suggesting driving demand to zero...
- 8organicbits 5mo agoOne challenge is that they have a ton of usage under their free tier, especially by free and open source projects which have near zero budgets. Its an artificial economy of projects that cannot pay for their own usage. Another challenge is that the GitHub Actions paid tier is already very expensive, the quality of service is poor, and they have major security challenges. They could load shed by raising prices, driving customers to other platforms, but they already charge 10x what others charge (https://runs-on.com/pricing/#runner-pricing https://runs-on.com/pricing/#runner-pricing, https://www.ubicloud.com/docs/about/pricing https://www.ubicloud.com/docs/about/pricing). Anyone using GitHub Actions at scale would be somewhat price insensitive already.
- michalsustr 5mo agoInteresting. So one way to interpret current situation is that Github is "trapped" by its open source offering. This will likely have implications soon on what they do or the direction of open source...
- latchkey 5mo agoYou storing source code on their platform is worth more than raising prices.
- kadhirvelm 5mo agoHonestly I kind of feel for them - their traffic must be spiking like no tomorrow. Though still annoying when the team takes down time because GitHub is down...has anyone transitioned to something else successfully?
- nate 5mo agoThis makes me nostalgic for platforms like https://unfuddle.com https://unfuddle.com. That was the old days of other providers with subversion and git.
- 8organicbits 5mo agoI'm a DevOps freelancer and I've moved projects off GitHub Actions in prior years (cost and security driven). Everyone uses GitHub a little differently, so there isn't a single migration path. It seems like all parts of GitHub are on fire now, but I'd generally recommend moving in stages. For my personal work I did a hard cutover to GitLab last month. The issues import is the most complex part as the default import messes up issue authors.
- fridder 5mo agoIt it was a startup, sure, I'd feel for them. This is Microsoft though. They have the money and resources
- fridder 5mo agoI should say that I don't feel for the business. The SRE's and admins though I certainly do
- bottlepalm 5mo agoI don't know how art sites are handling AI. The cost to create has gone done multiple orders of magnitude. People are pushing more content into online services than ever before, and the rate is only increasing.
- fridder 5mo agoThis is 100% AI's fault. It is a mix of more commits coming in, most likely code quality degradation, and I would not be surprised if capex that could be used to help with load is going towards AI instead
- Aurornis 5mo agoI'm frustrated with GitHub's stability, too, but we should be clear that GitHub wasn't down. They're one of the more honest services when it comes to posting service degradations, unlike some other platforms where teams will resist updating the status page until it's an undeniable site-wide outage. > We are working with our compute provider to alleviate elevated queue times and failures for Actions Jobs running on Hosted Runners in the East US region affecting 10% of runs. Hosted Runners with private networking can fail over to a different Region to mitigate the issue. > We are investigating elevated queue times on Actions Jobs running on Standard Hosted Runners in East US affecting 10% of runs Frustrating if you were impacted, but from the comments here you'd think the entire site was down again.
- datadrivenangel 5mo agoThey're being forced to be less dishonest. They're not going to count this as downtime anyways. They're reporting 100% uptime for April: https://www.githubstatus.com/ https://www.githubstatus.com/
- hobofan 5mo agoNot sure what content you are seeing on the page, but the only 100% I see on that page is for something called "Copilot AI Model Providers" that was launched less then a month ago.
- financetechbro 5mo agoI see six different 100%s on the page
- dark-star 5mo agoI gave you an upvote, since you'll probably be downvoted into oblivion soon :-D All those "GitHub is dead" and "GitHub will crumble soon" cries are massively exaggerating things. Most users probably won't even notice these "issues" or "downtimes", since they only affect certain parts of the site. Sure, it's annoying if you're impacted, but that still doesn't spell doom for GitHub as an organization
- Imustaskforhelp 5mo agoHow is the company morale at github? I imagine it to be really very depressing working at github right now with all these downtime. I know github is being used by AI agents like there is no tomorrow but there have also been en-shittification attempts at github and I have seen some comments tell me that github can be more efficient. So what are people who are at github doing right now? Like what do the priorities look like? Once again a reminder for people to look at codeberg. An Uptime of 84.88% is just not acceptable Github. I don't think that Github can come out of this personally. This problem has gone for too long and has become too large for people to ignore.
- grayhatter 5mo agoI'm not sure the uptime or UX of codeberg is meaningfully better?
- OJFord 5mo ago> How is the company morale at github? I imagine it to be really very depressing Since we're guessing I could also imagine the opposite: stressful sure and heaps of work, but numbers absolutely through the roof, and lots of opportunities, bonus/promo-boosting wins, etc.
- semenko 5mo agoGitHub's COO shared this under-reported X post last month [1] on their exponential growth. I'd love to see more proactive messaging on their growth rate / vision for agentic interactions. > … platform activity is surging. There were 1 billion commits in 2025. Now, it's 275 million per week, on pace for 14 billion this year if growth remains linear (spoiler: it won't.) > GitHub Actions has grown from 500M minutes/week in 2023 to 1B minutes/week in 2025, and now 2.1B minutes so far this week. [1] https://x.com/kdaigle/status/2040164759836778878 https://x.com/kdaigle/status/2040164759836778878
- gbro3n 5mo agoThis is the effect of agentic workflows. I know how much faster I've been going since the agents got good. I'm not surprised they're struggling.
- pinustorbald 5mo agoBro you deserve a refund if that's the code you're getting out of agents. WTF
- gbro3n 5mo agoLegendary comment. Thank you for your insight, wit and for taking the time to contribute.
- captn3m0 5mo agoOne of the sources of that problem is that GitHub is pushing all new products on top of Actions, making it load-bearing. A few examples are Dependabot, Pages, and Copilot Reviews. These aren't products that need to run on a CI system. Dependabot worked fine before Actions was a thing. Same with Pages, which ran fine for more than a decade without Actions. My outsider perspective is that GitHub teams are having to fight for compute, and since Actions can be billed and timed, it has become the default compute layer for everything. But it makes for a terrible experience as an end-user.
- jameson 5mo agoDo Github publish post-mortems? Incidents spiked recently and I wonder what's repeatedly causing the issue. Mistakes (preventable or not) can happen, but repeated failures is a systematic issue.
- swed420 5mo agoIt also seems like the HN mods want to downplay the GitHub outages. It's the second day in a row now where the main HN post about GitHub downtime has had "GitHub" edited out of the post title.
- OJFord 5mo agoThat's standard for HN and explicit in the guidelines linked in the footer. No need to include the company/domain in the title, and it should match that on the submitted page. Which is 'Incident with Actions' as it reads here (now) too.
- swed420 5mo agoYou don't see these edits happening as regularly with other submissions, though. It's not like OP is running out of space in the HN title, either. How is "Incident with Actions" more user-friendly than including "GitHub outage" in the headline? Furthermore, the subtitle of the OP is "Incident Report for GitHub," so why not just include this if we need to follow the rule so carefully?
- OJFord 5mo ago> Furthermore, the subtitle of the OP is "Incident Report for GitHub," so why not just include this if we need to follow the rule so carefully? Because if we follow carefully: > If the title includes the name of the site, please take it out, because the site name will be displayed after the link.
- swed420 5mo ago
- levkk 5mo agoI'm using GitHub for my business and so do millions more. Might be time to prioritize paying customers, historically popular open source repos and PRs created by known human actors. Agents can wait, humans have much less patience.
- jdlyga 5mo agohttps://www.dayswithoutgithubincident.com/ https://www.dayswithoutgithubincident.com/
- dijit 5mo agoInstead of repeating everything again (every comment at time of writing is a rehashing of something from other threads); why not just read old threads? We're not treading new ground anymore. Here's a few of the better ones in the last 2 weeks; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48012022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48012022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48010301 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48010301 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47924775 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47924775 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47881672 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47881672 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47877644 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47877644