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It does work in driving the car where it is able to. Where it fails is in the 'full' part. After 10 billion miles driven on 'auto-pilot' [1] it is hard to claim

It does work in driving the car where it is able to. Where it fails is in the 'full' part. After 10 billion miles driven on 'auto-pilot' [1] it is hard to claim it 'does not work'. Tesla would have been better off removing the 'F' from 'FSD' but that's water under the bridge. [1] https://electrek.co/2026/05/03/tesla-fsd-10-billion-miles-no-magical-milestone-autonomy/ https://electrek.co/2026/05/03/tesla-fsd-10-billion-miles-no...

fouc 6mo ago
I liked this article's definition of Full Self Driving (Level 4 autonomy), it is very clear - when Tesla directly takes on the legal liability for unsupervised driving.
dylan604 6mo ago
You just said "where it fails" and then state hard to claim it not working. If you call it Full Self Driving and it doesn't fully self drive, then it doesn't work. Not really sure where the confusion is. It's not water under the bridge. It is what it is. They claimed it would be fully self driving and not some lane/speed maintenance that pretty much all car makers can do now. It was straight up explained to drive the car. Any deviation from that means it is not working and people like you willingly accepting what Musk has lied about for years trying to make the rest of us out to be the weird ones for not falling for it. I'm tired of the gaslighting.
- goosejuice 6mo ago
  > lane/speed maintenance that pretty much all car makers can do now What car can I buy in the US today that's as good as the latest fsd?
  - dylan604 6mo ago
    So many cars come with lane assist and adaptive cruise control. You can google those terms for yourself. I don't bother with lmgtfy requests. You're a big boy/girl, and teaching you to fish it much better effort. They also don't cost an additional $10k on top of the price of the car. They are just part of the price of the car.
    - scottyah 6mo ago
      Maybe the lmgtfy would be a good exercise for you. Ford's BlueCruise, GM's SuperCruise, Rivian's Autonomy+, and Mercedes-Benz’s Drive Pilot all cost money.
      - goosejuice 6mo ago
        Indeed and none of those work outside of (select) highways. Lucid also has DreamDrive, but it's fairly poor from what I've seen. BYD's God's Eye is in the news, and it isn't looking good either. I'd love to see good competition in this space, but it seems Tesla has a healthy moat.
        amanaplanacanal 6mo ago
        The moat will seem pretty shallow when Google starts licensing their technology.
        goosejuice 6mo ago
        I'd love to see waymo adapted to a consumer vehicle, but I have high doubts that this will happen any time soon. I know Waymo has a partnership with Toyota but they don't even have a competitive EV.
      - dylan604 6mo ago
        Maybe re-reading what I wrote would help you lmgtfy.
        philipallstar 6mo ago
        So are they part of the price of the car, or are they a subscription?
  - Sohcahtoa82 6mo ago
    Literally every non-budget brand (and even some of the budget brands) offers automatic lane keeping with traffic-aware cruise control somewhere in their fleet. It might only be on their flagship vehicles, and possibly only on the top trims, but you're living in a Tesla-decorated cave if you think those are still Tesla-only features. On a Tesla, it's not even an FSD-specific feature. Autopilot does it.
    - goosejuice 6mo ago
      FSD isn't basic ADAS. You could just say no.
- philipallstar 6mo ago
  Exactly. It's like calling an airplane system "autopilot" but pilots are still involved.
pengaru 6mo ago
even my 95 miata drives itself on a straight flat road...
- mikestorrent 6mo ago
  but unlike the Tesla, the Miata is a car designed for the delight of the driver, rather than as a futuristic driving appliance / infotainment centre.
omgwtfbyobbq 6mo ago
The did, kind of. Instead of removing "Full", they added a disclaimer to the end. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70420085/tesla-drops-autopilot-name-california/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70420085/tesla-drops-auto...
simondotau 6mo ago
Full is a relative term. Full compared to what? Compared to a professional rally car driver? Compared to my grandmother? Compared to a properly licensed tourist in a foreign country? From videos I see on YouTube, I’m struggling to think what is not Full compared to—at a bare minimum—the bottom 10 percent of drivers on the road.
- bluGill 6mo ago
  Nobody admits they're in the bottom 10%. Nobody even admits they're in the bottom 75%.
  - BigTTYGothGF 6mo ago
    I'm bottom 75%.
    - bluGill 6mo ago
      That is brave. Unless you have 5 DWIs to prove how bad a driver you are, or something equally bad... Or maybe you have finally realized old age has destroyed your mind and so you no longer have a drivers license (though this is rare). Honestly I have no idea how I would objectively rate my driving. I know a few things that I do better than everyone else - but I have no idea what bad things I'm doing that I'm unaware of. I don't know if the bad things I avoid are the really bad things that make me much better, or if they are just minor things and the things I'm unaware of are much more important. About the only thing everyone knows about is that driving drunk is really really bad, but most people don't do that.
      - BigTTYGothGF 6mo ago
        I said "bottom 75%", not "bottom 7.5%".
        bluGill 6mo ago
        Exactly, most everyone thinks they are better that 75%
bdangubic 6mo ago
if they replaced F with S (Somewhat) all would be swell (hard to make any sales when not lying though…)
Dylan16807 6mo ago
If we judge it as "Self Driving", it does the Driving part pretty well, and is quite bad at the Self part. There exist no roads and no weather conditions where I'm allowed to take my eyes off the road and stop being the safety nanny.
protocolture 6mo ago
If they renamed it Featureless Sometimes Driving we might be onto something.
brentcrude 6mo ago
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pigeons 5mo ago
Full is literally the first word in the feature.

fouc 6mo ago

I liked this article's definition of Full Self Driving (Level 4 autonomy), it is very clear - when Tesla directly takes on the legal liability for unsupervised driving.

dylan604 6mo ago

You just said "where it fails" and then state hard to claim it not working. If you call it Full Self Driving and it doesn't fully self drive, then it doesn't work. Not really sure where the confusion is. It's not water under the bridge. It is what it is. They claimed it would be fully self driving and not some lane/speed maintenance that pretty much all car makers can do now. It was straight up explained to drive the car. Any deviation from that means it is not working and people like you willingly accepting what Musk has lied about for years trying to make the rest of us out to be the weird ones for not falling for it. I'm tired of the gaslighting.

goosejuice 6mo ago
> lane/speed maintenance that pretty much all car makers can do now What car can I buy in the US today that's as good as the latest fsd?
- dylan604 6mo ago
  So many cars come with lane assist and adaptive cruise control. You can google those terms for yourself. I don't bother with lmgtfy requests. You're a big boy/girl, and teaching you to fish it much better effort. They also don't cost an additional $10k on top of the price of the car. They are just part of the price of the car.
  - scottyah 6mo ago
    Maybe the lmgtfy would be a good exercise for you. Ford's BlueCruise, GM's SuperCruise, Rivian's Autonomy+, and Mercedes-Benz’s Drive Pilot all cost money.
    - goosejuice 6mo ago
      Indeed and none of those work outside of (select) highways. Lucid also has DreamDrive, but it's fairly poor from what I've seen. BYD's God's Eye is in the news, and it isn't looking good either. I'd love to see good competition in this space, but it seems Tesla has a healthy moat.
      - amanaplanacanal 6mo ago
        The moat will seem pretty shallow when Google starts licensing their technology.
        goosejuice 6mo ago
        I'd love to see waymo adapted to a consumer vehicle, but I have high doubts that this will happen any time soon. I know Waymo has a partnership with Toyota but they don't even have a competitive EV.
    - dylan604 6mo ago
      Maybe re-reading what I wrote would help you lmgtfy.
      - philipallstar 6mo ago
        So are they part of the price of the car, or are they a subscription?
- Sohcahtoa82 6mo ago
  Literally every non-budget brand (and even some of the budget brands) offers automatic lane keeping with traffic-aware cruise control somewhere in their fleet. It might only be on their flagship vehicles, and possibly only on the top trims, but you're living in a Tesla-decorated cave if you think those are still Tesla-only features. On a Tesla, it's not even an FSD-specific feature. Autopilot does it.
  - goosejuice 6mo ago
    FSD isn't basic ADAS. You could just say no.
philipallstar 6mo ago
Exactly. It's like calling an airplane system "autopilot" but pilots are still involved.

pengaru 6mo ago

even my 95 miata drives itself on a straight flat road...

mikestorrent 6mo ago
but unlike the Tesla, the Miata is a car designed for the delight of the driver, rather than as a futuristic driving appliance / infotainment centre.

omgwtfbyobbq 6mo ago

The did, kind of. Instead of removing "Full", they added a disclaimer to the end. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70420085/tesla-drops-autopilot-name-california/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70420085/tesla-drops-auto...

simondotau 6mo ago

Full is a relative term. Full compared to what? Compared to a professional rally car driver? Compared to my grandmother? Compared to a properly licensed tourist in a foreign country? From videos I see on YouTube, I’m struggling to think what is not Full compared to—at a bare minimum—the bottom 10 percent of drivers on the road.

bluGill 6mo ago
Nobody admits they're in the bottom 10%. Nobody even admits they're in the bottom 75%.
- BigTTYGothGF 6mo ago
  I'm bottom 75%.
  - bluGill 6mo ago
    That is brave. Unless you have 5 DWIs to prove how bad a driver you are, or something equally bad... Or maybe you have finally realized old age has destroyed your mind and so you no longer have a drivers license (though this is rare). Honestly I have no idea how I would objectively rate my driving. I know a few things that I do better than everyone else - but I have no idea what bad things I'm doing that I'm unaware of. I don't know if the bad things I avoid are the really bad things that make me much better, or if they are just minor things and the things I'm unaware of are much more important. About the only thing everyone knows about is that driving drunk is really really bad, but most people don't do that.
    - BigTTYGothGF 6mo ago
      I said "bottom 75%", not "bottom 7.5%".
      - bluGill 6mo ago
        Exactly, most everyone thinks they are better that 75%

bdangubic 6mo ago

if they replaced F with S (Somewhat) all would be swell (hard to make any sales when not lying though…)

Dylan16807 6mo ago

If we judge it as "Self Driving", it does the Driving part pretty well, and is quite bad at the Self part. There exist no roads and no weather conditions where I'm allowed to take my eyes off the road and stop being the safety nanny.

protocolture 6mo ago

If they renamed it Featureless Sometimes Driving we might be onto something.

brentcrude 6mo ago

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pigeons 5mo ago

Full is literally the first word in the feature.