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A worst case scenario I feel is that the government could restrict inference providers within the US to run only approved/American LLMs, which would be a huge d
by JLO64 5mo ago
A worst case scenario I feel is that the government could restrict inference providers within the US to run only approved/American LLMs, which would be a huge deal since the only recent American OSS model is Gemma. I could see OpenAI/Anthropic/Google lobbying for that though…
- aurareturn 5mo agoMy thought as well. They will approve every new American trained LLM but they can't control the release of free Chinese LLMs. Therefore, the only card they can play is to simply make Chinese LLMs illegal to use for American companies and Americans. Ultimately, this will grant more power to OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google due to regulatory capture but it hurts the AI industry overall.
- 2ndorderthought 5mo agoOnly the us AI industry. It will put the US in a ditch with it's only asset being the ability to surveill its citizens for negative money and negative innovation. The rest of the world will keep spinning just fine
- victorbjorklund 5mo agoLet’s hope. It would be great for Europe and the rest of the world.
- dgellow 5mo agoUnless we (Europe) start to do the same…
- 2ndorderthought 5mo agoNah there's literally no reason geopolitically or economically to do that for Europe. The US has more or less entirely botched everything except it's military applications for AI. It's endangering the whole economy in the process too.
- hactually 5mo agouhm. Europe is ID gating their entire internet - they're not bothered about foreign powers, just control.
- 2ndorderthought 5mo agoChat control also failed. There's a lot of hope still. The thing goes both ways. They have to secure their people from Russian and American propaganda that will be coming by the petabyte once a few more us data centers go online. The US is trying to elect fascists in Europe. At the same time it's a terrible practice for privacy and human rights. Especially in the wrong hands.
- dgellow 5mo agoNot for the same reasons (such as the direct propaganda I expect from the Trump government), but if there is a precedent I can definitely see propositions to have some sort of regulator vet models before release to protect young people or similar
- 2ndorderthought 5mo agoThey know very well that China is going to keep releasing world class models at 1/20th the price and 5-300x smaller in size. They also know they screwed up by going full technofacism and there's no way back because of the trillions invested in oligarchs and it endangers the entire economy.
- dyauspitr 5mo agoChina can’t keep doing that. This is essentially a capture the market ploy that is government back from them at this point at current DeepSeek prices they would have to make a massive loss.
- 2ndorderthought 5mo agoI think you misunderstood what China has been doing to make the progress they have. They've invested far less and have actual applications because they are the world's largest manufacturer. In the us we have products we sell to china to automate their factories. China soon wont need those. The US goal of laying off anyone who thinks for money is really different than chinas goals of automating product manufacturing. Deepseek costs less because it actually costs less. Chinas electrical infrastructure is so much better than the uses. Meanwhile the us has ai data centers running on effing gas. On literal gas generators. The only budget discussions for infrastructure in the us are basically for the DHS too. It's not sustainable.
- CamperBob2 5mo agoChina can’t keep doing that. Who or what will stop them?
- aurareturn 5mo agoProbably economics eventually. I also don't think we're going to have top tier free models forever. It's going to end within a few years.
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