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Meanwhile, Windows 8 sold 4 million upgrades in four days. And surpassed Android in web traffic in just 10 days. So much for the post-PC world. http://www.thev

Meanwhile, Windows 8 sold 4 million upgrades in four days. And surpassed Android in web traffic in just 10 days. So much for the post-PC world. http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/30/3576512/windows-8-upgrade-sales-four-million http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/30/3576512/windows-8-upgrade... http://www.techspot.com/news/50745-statcounter-data-says-windows-8-has-overtaken-android-in-web-traffic.html http://www.techspot.com/news/50745-statcounter-data-says-win...

w1ntermute 14y ago
> surpassed Android in web traffic in just 10 days The fact of the matter is, there's a huge number of people who aren't aware you can browse the web on a smartphone (Android or iOS), or just don't use the feature very often. I know a lot of people who spend pretty much all their time on their phone inside the Facebook app, some games, and the SMS app. Many of them were very surprised to learn that there was a full-featured browser available on their phones.
- recoiledsnake 14y ago
  Perhaps, but a core premise of the post-PC world is that people will be increasingly using tablets and smartphones to surf. I doubt that many Windows RT/8(which is supposed to be not selling) tablets have been sold, so it must be PCs(which are supposedly dying off) a few of which were upgraded overtaking the biggest mobile OS in a matter of days. And it must be consumer PCs too, since enterprises aren't deploying Windows 8 in any large number.
  - stcredzero 14y ago
    > Perhaps, but a core premise of the post-PC world is that people will be increasingly using tablets and smartphones to surf. That's a weakly formulated definition. Post-PC is really the new use cases opened up by mobile form factors. Of course it's going to start by evolving from the way we used PCs. But anyone who's surfed on a smartphone out in public will realize that it's something to do "in a pinch" or it's good because some access is better than no access at all. How we end up using mobile in 7 years will be more different from now than how we used the web in 1998 was different from 2005.
  - GHFigs 14y ago
    overtaking the biggest mobile OS You're mixing up evidence here. Android has the largest share of mobile units, but the comparison being made is web traffic. Android's share of mobile web traffic share is not the largest, being only a third that of iOS. In other words: you're overlooking most mobile web traffic to reach your conclusion. http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustomb=1&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=151&qpnp=11 http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share....
  - Aaronontheweb 14y ago
    "And it must be consumer PCs too, since enterprises aren't deploying Windows 8 in any large number." Former Microsoftie as of August - this is not true. We had already sold tens of millions of Windows 8 licenses prior to 10/26 as part of our Enterprise Agreement (EA) process with big enterprises. Ballmer mentioned this onstage during his //BUILD keynote too.
    - magicalist 14y ago
      Yep, and recoiledsnake's article actually backs this up, since Windows 8 web traffic was already quite high before the 10/26 launch date (according to that statcounter graph, at least).
- georgemcbay 14y ago
  And then there are people like me. I know that there's a full-featured browser available on my phone, I also know that however great and fast my phone is, browsing the web on a device with a screen of about 4 inches in size with no mouse or keyboard always kinda sucks. Even the absolute best mobile websites are barely adequate user experiences, IMO, and thus I use native apps on my phone whenever possible.
- deleted 14y ago
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  - seanmcdirmid 14y ago
    Browsing the web on an iPad is much better than on a PC, especially when on bed.
  - carbon8 14y ago
    "the problem is that most people don't like browsing the internet on a phone or even a tablet" The analytics on every site I've had access to in the past couple years suggest otherwise. iPad web traffic has been steadily rising and accounts for a significant portion of traffic on some sites. I've seen as high as 30+% on sites that haven't even been optimized for tablets yet.
- revelation 14y ago
  Or these statistics are just complete bunk, as the notorious browser statistics. Do any of them really claim any kind of precision for the emerging markets, India and China?
adrr 14y ago
4 million is nothing considering windows market share. They beat mountain lion by 1 million and mountain lion is a minor upgrade compared to windows 8. Compare it to windows 7 and windows 8 is a big loser. "In July 2009, in only eight hours, pre-orders of Windows 7 at amazon.co.uk surpassed the demand which Windows Vista had had in its first 17 weeks.[72] It became the highest-grossing pre-order in Amazon's history, surpassing sales of the previous record holder, the seventh Harry Potter book.[73] After 36 hours, 64-bit versions of Windows 7 Professional and Ultimate editions sold out in Japan.[74] Two weeks after its release its market share had surpassed that of Snow Leopard, released two months previously as the most recent update to Apple's Mac OS X operating system.[75][76] " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_Mountain_Lion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_Mountain_Lion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7 Personally I tried Windows 8 when I was tasked to upgrade all the customer service machines at my company. So terrible we ended up switching over to Apple machines. Would have went Chromebooks but got vetoed since some employees need MS Office. Only our finance people are on PCs now because they don't want to relearn the Excel hotkeys.
- Aaronontheweb 14y ago
  "4 million is nothing considering windows market share." This 4 million number is equal to the number of individual consumers who bought a shrink-wrapped Windows 8 UPGRADE box. It was announced 4 days after the launch of the platform on the 26th.
  - adrr 14y ago
    Its not even number #1 on Amazon's bestsellers list, windows 7 is. http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Software-Operating-Systems/zgbs/software/229653/ref=zg_bs_nav_sw_1_sw http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Software-Operating-System...
    - nivla 14y ago
      Maybe because Amazon prices windows 8 pro upgrade at $66.99 while you can get it from Microsoft Store for $40?! [1]http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-8-Pro-Upgrade/dp/B008H3SW4I/ http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-8-Pro-Upgrade/dp/B00... [2]http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9232961/Microsoft_starts_40_Windows_8_upgrade_sales http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9232961/Microsoft_sta...
nhebb 14y ago
N.B. - For anyone wanting to look at their site's Win 8 traffic stats in Google Analytics, it's being listed as NT. The user agent substring is "Windows NT 6.2".

w1ntermute 14y ago

> surpassed Android in web traffic in just 10 days The fact of the matter is, there's a huge number of people who aren't aware you can browse the web on a smartphone (Android or iOS), or just don't use the feature very often. I know a lot of people who spend pretty much all their time on their phone inside the Facebook app, some games, and the SMS app. Many of them were very surprised to learn that there was a full-featured browser available on their phones.

recoiledsnake 14y ago
Perhaps, but a core premise of the post-PC world is that people will be increasingly using tablets and smartphones to surf. I doubt that many Windows RT/8(which is supposed to be not selling) tablets have been sold, so it must be PCs(which are supposedly dying off) a few of which were upgraded overtaking the biggest mobile OS in a matter of days. And it must be consumer PCs too, since enterprises aren't deploying Windows 8 in any large number.
- stcredzero 14y ago
  > Perhaps, but a core premise of the post-PC world is that people will be increasingly using tablets and smartphones to surf. That's a weakly formulated definition. Post-PC is really the new use cases opened up by mobile form factors. Of course it's going to start by evolving from the way we used PCs. But anyone who's surfed on a smartphone out in public will realize that it's something to do "in a pinch" or it's good because some access is better than no access at all. How we end up using mobile in 7 years will be more different from now than how we used the web in 1998 was different from 2005.
- GHFigs 14y ago
  overtaking the biggest mobile OS You're mixing up evidence here. Android has the largest share of mobile units, but the comparison being made is web traffic. Android's share of mobile web traffic share is not the largest, being only a third that of iOS. In other words: you're overlooking most mobile web traffic to reach your conclusion. http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustomb=1&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=151&qpnp=11 http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share....
- Aaronontheweb 14y ago
  "And it must be consumer PCs too, since enterprises aren't deploying Windows 8 in any large number." Former Microsoftie as of August - this is not true. We had already sold tens of millions of Windows 8 licenses prior to 10/26 as part of our Enterprise Agreement (EA) process with big enterprises. Ballmer mentioned this onstage during his //BUILD keynote too.
  - magicalist 14y ago
    Yep, and recoiledsnake's article actually backs this up, since Windows 8 web traffic was already quite high before the 10/26 launch date (according to that statcounter graph, at least).
georgemcbay 14y ago
And then there are people like me. I know that there's a full-featured browser available on my phone, I also know that however great and fast my phone is, browsing the web on a device with a screen of about 4 inches in size with no mouse or keyboard always kinda sucks. Even the absolute best mobile websites are barely adequate user experiences, IMO, and thus I use native apps on my phone whenever possible.
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- seanmcdirmid 14y ago
  Browsing the web on an iPad is much better than on a PC, especially when on bed.
- carbon8 14y ago
  "the problem is that most people don't like browsing the internet on a phone or even a tablet" The analytics on every site I've had access to in the past couple years suggest otherwise. iPad web traffic has been steadily rising and accounts for a significant portion of traffic on some sites. I've seen as high as 30+% on sites that haven't even been optimized for tablets yet.
revelation 14y ago
Or these statistics are just complete bunk, as the notorious browser statistics. Do any of them really claim any kind of precision for the emerging markets, India and China?

adrr 14y ago

4 million is nothing considering windows market share. They beat mountain lion by 1 million and mountain lion is a minor upgrade compared to windows 8. Compare it to windows 7 and windows 8 is a big loser. "In July 2009, in only eight hours, pre-orders of Windows 7 at amazon.co.uk surpassed the demand which Windows Vista had had in its first 17 weeks.[72] It became the highest-grossing pre-order in Amazon's history, surpassing sales of the previous record holder, the seventh Harry Potter book.[73] After 36 hours, 64-bit versions of Windows 7 Professional and Ultimate editions sold out in Japan.[74] Two weeks after its release its market share had surpassed that of Snow Leopard, released two months previously as the most recent update to Apple's Mac OS X operating system.[75][76] " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_Mountain_Lion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_Mountain_Lion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7 Personally I tried Windows 8 when I was tasked to upgrade all the customer service machines at my company. So terrible we ended up switching over to Apple machines. Would have went Chromebooks but got vetoed since some employees need MS Office. Only our finance people are on PCs now because they don't want to relearn the Excel hotkeys.

Aaronontheweb 14y ago
"4 million is nothing considering windows market share." This 4 million number is equal to the number of individual consumers who bought a shrink-wrapped Windows 8 UPGRADE box. It was announced 4 days after the launch of the platform on the 26th.
- adrr 14y ago
  Its not even number #1 on Amazon's bestsellers list, windows 7 is. http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Software-Operating-Systems/zgbs/software/229653/ref=zg_bs_nav_sw_1_sw http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Software-Operating-System...
  - nivla 14y ago
    Maybe because Amazon prices windows 8 pro upgrade at $66.99 while you can get it from Microsoft Store for $40?! [1]http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-8-Pro-Upgrade/dp/B008H3SW4I/ http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-8-Pro-Upgrade/dp/B00... [2]http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9232961/Microsoft_starts_40_Windows_8_upgrade_sales http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9232961/Microsoft_sta...

nhebb 14y ago

N.B. - For anyone wanting to look at their site's Win 8 traffic stats in Google Analytics, it's being listed as NT. The user agent substring is "Windows NT 6.2".