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Yep, that's exactly what it is. Still a cool project. For a split-second after reading the headline my brain thought they had gotten the Tesla software (with a

Yep, that's exactly what it is. Still a cool project. For a split-second after reading the headline my brain thought they had gotten the Tesla software (with a lot of hackery) to control an ICE vehicle drive-train.

dylan604 5mo ago
For a split-second after reading the headline, I thought they were claiming FSD works.
- Leonard_of_Q 5mo ago
  It does work in driving the car where it is able to. Where it fails is in the 'full' part. After 10 billion miles driven on 'auto-pilot' [1] it is hard to claim it 'does not work'. Tesla would have been better off removing the 'F' from 'FSD' but that's water under the bridge. [1] https://electrek.co/2026/05/03/tesla-fsd-10-billion-miles-no-magical-milestone-autonomy/ https://electrek.co/2026/05/03/tesla-fsd-10-billion-miles-no...
  - fouc 5mo ago
    I liked this article's definition of Full Self Driving (Level 4 autonomy), it is very clear - when Tesla directly takes on the legal liability for unsupervised driving.
  - dylan604 5mo ago
    You just said "where it fails" and then state hard to claim it not working. If you call it Full Self Driving and it doesn't fully self drive, then it doesn't work. Not really sure where the confusion is. It's not water under the bridge. It is what it is. They claimed it would be fully self driving and not some lane/speed maintenance that pretty much all car makers can do now. It was straight up explained to drive the car. Any deviation from that means it is not working and people like you willingly accepting what Musk has lied about for years trying to make the rest of us out to be the weird ones for not falling for it. I'm tired of the gaslighting.
    - goosejuice 5mo ago
      > lane/speed maintenance that pretty much all car makers can do now What car can I buy in the US today that's as good as the latest fsd?
      - dylan604 5mo ago
        So many cars come with lane assist and adaptive cruise control. You can google those terms for yourself. I don't bother with lmgtfy requests. You're a big boy/girl, and teaching you to fish it much better effort. They also don't cost an additional $10k on top of the price of the car. They are just part of the price of the car.
        scottyah 5mo ago
        Maybe the lmgtfy would be a good exercise for you. Ford's BlueCruise, GM's SuperCruise, Rivian's Autonomy+, and Mercedes-Benz’s Drive Pilot all cost money.
        goosejuice 5mo ago
        Indeed and none of those work outside of (select) highways. Lucid also has DreamDrive, but it's fairly poor from what I've seen. BYD's God's Eye is in the news, and it isn't looking good either. I'd love to see good competition in this space, but it seems Tesla has a healthy moat.
        amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
        The moat will seem pretty shallow when Google starts licensing their technology.
        goosejuice 5mo ago
        I'd love to see waymo adapted to a consumer vehicle, but I have high doubts that this will happen any time soon. I know Waymo has a partnership with Toyota but they don't even have a competitive EV.
  - pengaru 5mo ago
    even my 95 miata drives itself on a straight flat road...
    - mikestorrent 5mo ago
      but unlike the Tesla, the Miata is a car designed for the delight of the driver, rather than as a futuristic driving appliance / infotainment centre.
  - omgwtfbyobbq 5mo ago
    The did, kind of. Instead of removing "Full", they added a disclaimer to the end. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70420085/tesla-drops-autopilot-name-california/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70420085/tesla-drops-auto...
  - simondotau 5mo ago
    Full is a relative term. Full compared to what? Compared to a professional rally car driver? Compared to my grandmother? Compared to a properly licensed tourist in a foreign country? From videos I see on YouTube, I’m struggling to think what is not Full compared to—at a bare minimum—the bottom 10 percent of drivers on the road.
    - bluGill 5mo ago
      Nobody admits they're in the bottom 10%. Nobody even admits they're in the bottom 75%.
      - BigTTYGothGF 5mo ago
        I'm bottom 75%.
        bluGill 5mo ago
        That is brave. Unless you have 5 DWIs to prove how bad a driver you are, or something equally bad... Or maybe you have finally realized old age has destroyed your mind and so you no longer have a drivers license (though this is rare). Honestly I have no idea how I would objectively rate my driving. I know a few things that I do better than everyone else - but I have no idea what bad things I'm doing that I'm unaware of. I don't know if the bad things I avoid are the really bad things that make me much better, or if they are just minor things and the things I'm unaware of are much more important. About the only thing everyone knows about is that driving drunk is really really bad, but most people don't do that.
        BigTTYGothGF 5mo ago
        I said "bottom 75%", not "bottom 7.5%".
        bluGill 5mo ago
        Exactly, most everyone thinks they are better that 75%
  - bdangubic 5mo ago
    if they replaced F with S (Somewhat) all would be swell (hard to make any sales when not lying though…)
  - Dylan16807 5mo ago
    If we judge it as "Self Driving", it does the Driving part pretty well, and is quite bad at the Self part. There exist no roads and no weather conditions where I'm allowed to take my eyes off the road and stop being the safety nanny.
  - protocolture 5mo ago
    If they renamed it Featureless Sometimes Driving we might be onto something.
  - brentcrude 5mo ago
    [dead]
  - pigeons 5mo ago
    Full is literally the first word in the feature.
- Spooky23 5mo ago
  It works, it just doesn’t fully drive by itself.
- cebert 5mo ago
  I have FSD in a 2026 Model Y and it does a solid job for me.
- fortran77 5mo ago
  I was 100% FSD today. Went to the office, ran some errands, went home. Never touched the steering wheel once. 2026 Model S Plaid.
  - ceejayoz 5mo ago
    > Never touched the steering wheel once. Don’t you have to?
    - x187463 5mo ago
      No, you can start FSD from stopped using a button on the screen. It drives to the destination and parks itself.
      - ceejayoz 5mo ago
        It's been a year or two since I drove a Tesla, but in FSD mode it insisted I at least touch the steering wheel regularly.
        x187463 5mo ago
        Modern refreshed models use an eye tracking camera.
        jandrese 5mo ago
        The steering wheel sensor could be defeated by taping a water bottle to the wheel. The eye tracking is supposed to be harder to defeat, although I wonder if it would accept a mannequin in the driver seat.
    - fortran77 5mo ago
      No. A camera watches you to make sure you’re paying attention.
  - philipallstar 5mo ago
    It does look to an outside non-Tesla-owning observer, like it's getting there sometimes, but do you think it is? Or is it just plateauing?
- bitfilped 5mo ago
  It'll work next year, don't worry.
- x187463 5mo ago
  I'm at 96% FSD miles since they started tracking a few months ago. It works very well. It was unreliable until about 12-18 months ago, but it's been great since v13.

dylan604 5mo ago

For a split-second after reading the headline, I thought they were claiming FSD works.

Leonard_of_Q 5mo ago
It does work in driving the car where it is able to. Where it fails is in the 'full' part. After 10 billion miles driven on 'auto-pilot' [1] it is hard to claim it 'does not work'. Tesla would have been better off removing the 'F' from 'FSD' but that's water under the bridge. [1] https://electrek.co/2026/05/03/tesla-fsd-10-billion-miles-no-magical-milestone-autonomy/ https://electrek.co/2026/05/03/tesla-fsd-10-billion-miles-no...
- fouc 5mo ago
  I liked this article's definition of Full Self Driving (Level 4 autonomy), it is very clear - when Tesla directly takes on the legal liability for unsupervised driving.
- dylan604 5mo ago
  You just said "where it fails" and then state hard to claim it not working. If you call it Full Self Driving and it doesn't fully self drive, then it doesn't work. Not really sure where the confusion is. It's not water under the bridge. It is what it is. They claimed it would be fully self driving and not some lane/speed maintenance that pretty much all car makers can do now. It was straight up explained to drive the car. Any deviation from that means it is not working and people like you willingly accepting what Musk has lied about for years trying to make the rest of us out to be the weird ones for not falling for it. I'm tired of the gaslighting.
  - goosejuice 5mo ago
    > lane/speed maintenance that pretty much all car makers can do now What car can I buy in the US today that's as good as the latest fsd?
    - dylan604 5mo ago
      So many cars come with lane assist and adaptive cruise control. You can google those terms for yourself. I don't bother with lmgtfy requests. You're a big boy/girl, and teaching you to fish it much better effort. They also don't cost an additional $10k on top of the price of the car. They are just part of the price of the car.
      - scottyah 5mo ago
        Maybe the lmgtfy would be a good exercise for you. Ford's BlueCruise, GM's SuperCruise, Rivian's Autonomy+, and Mercedes-Benz’s Drive Pilot all cost money.
        goosejuice 5mo ago
        Indeed and none of those work outside of (select) highways. Lucid also has DreamDrive, but it's fairly poor from what I've seen. BYD's God's Eye is in the news, and it isn't looking good either. I'd love to see good competition in this space, but it seems Tesla has a healthy moat.
        amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
        The moat will seem pretty shallow when Google starts licensing their technology.
        goosejuice 5mo ago
        I'd love to see waymo adapted to a consumer vehicle, but I have high doubts that this will happen any time soon. I know Waymo has a partnership with Toyota but they don't even have a competitive EV.
- pengaru 5mo ago
  even my 95 miata drives itself on a straight flat road...
  - mikestorrent 5mo ago
    but unlike the Tesla, the Miata is a car designed for the delight of the driver, rather than as a futuristic driving appliance / infotainment centre.
- omgwtfbyobbq 5mo ago
  The did, kind of. Instead of removing "Full", they added a disclaimer to the end. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70420085/tesla-drops-autopilot-name-california/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a70420085/tesla-drops-auto...
- simondotau 5mo ago
  Full is a relative term. Full compared to what? Compared to a professional rally car driver? Compared to my grandmother? Compared to a properly licensed tourist in a foreign country? From videos I see on YouTube, I’m struggling to think what is not Full compared to—at a bare minimum—the bottom 10 percent of drivers on the road.
  - bluGill 5mo ago
    Nobody admits they're in the bottom 10%. Nobody even admits they're in the bottom 75%.
    - BigTTYGothGF 5mo ago
      I'm bottom 75%.
      - bluGill 5mo ago
        That is brave. Unless you have 5 DWIs to prove how bad a driver you are, or something equally bad... Or maybe you have finally realized old age has destroyed your mind and so you no longer have a drivers license (though this is rare). Honestly I have no idea how I would objectively rate my driving. I know a few things that I do better than everyone else - but I have no idea what bad things I'm doing that I'm unaware of. I don't know if the bad things I avoid are the really bad things that make me much better, or if they are just minor things and the things I'm unaware of are much more important. About the only thing everyone knows about is that driving drunk is really really bad, but most people don't do that.
        BigTTYGothGF 5mo ago
        I said "bottom 75%", not "bottom 7.5%".
        bluGill 5mo ago
        Exactly, most everyone thinks they are better that 75%
- bdangubic 5mo ago
  if they replaced F with S (Somewhat) all would be swell (hard to make any sales when not lying though…)
- Dylan16807 5mo ago
  If we judge it as "Self Driving", it does the Driving part pretty well, and is quite bad at the Self part. There exist no roads and no weather conditions where I'm allowed to take my eyes off the road and stop being the safety nanny.
- protocolture 5mo ago
  If they renamed it Featureless Sometimes Driving we might be onto something.
- brentcrude 5mo ago
  [dead]
- pigeons 5mo ago
  Full is literally the first word in the feature.
Spooky23 5mo ago
It works, it just doesn’t fully drive by itself.
cebert 5mo ago
I have FSD in a 2026 Model Y and it does a solid job for me.
fortran77 5mo ago
I was 100% FSD today. Went to the office, ran some errands, went home. Never touched the steering wheel once. 2026 Model S Plaid.
- ceejayoz 5mo ago
  > Never touched the steering wheel once. Don’t you have to?
  - x187463 5mo ago
    No, you can start FSD from stopped using a button on the screen. It drives to the destination and parks itself.
    - ceejayoz 5mo ago
      It's been a year or two since I drove a Tesla, but in FSD mode it insisted I at least touch the steering wheel regularly.
      - x187463 5mo ago
        Modern refreshed models use an eye tracking camera.
        jandrese 5mo ago
        The steering wheel sensor could be defeated by taping a water bottle to the wheel. The eye tracking is supposed to be harder to defeat, although I wonder if it would accept a mannequin in the driver seat.
  - fortran77 5mo ago
    No. A camera watches you to make sure you’re paying attention.
- philipallstar 5mo ago
  It does look to an outside non-Tesla-owning observer, like it's getting there sometimes, but do you think it is? Or is it just plateauing?
bitfilped 5mo ago
It'll work next year, don't worry.
x187463 5mo ago
I'm at 96% FSD miles since they started tracking a few months ago. It works very well. It was unreliable until about 12-18 months ago, but it's been great since v13.