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The batteries regulation[1] doesn't contain such an exemption. The legal argument that iPhones may be exempt goes like this: - The batteries regulation is a ge
by jorams 5mo ago
The batteries regulation[1] doesn't contain such an exemption. The legal argument that iPhones may be exempt goes like this:
- The batteries regulation is a general regulation and article 11 specifically says the following:
> This paragraph shall be without prejudice to any specific provisions ensuring a higher level of protection of the environment and human health relating to the removability and replaceability of portable batteries by end-users laid down in any Union law on electrical and electronic equipment as defined in Article 3(1), point (a), of Directive 2012/19/EU.
- There is a different regulation, the ecodesign regulation for smartphones and tablets[2], that is more specific and therefore might supersede the batteries regulation on this front, which says:
> (ii) manufacturers, importers or authorised representatives may provide the battery or batteries referred to in point (i)(a) only to professional repairers if manufacturers, importers or authorised representatives ensure that the following requirements are met:
> (a) after 500 full charge cycles the battery has, in a fully charged state, a remaining capacity of at least 83 % of the rated capacity;
> (b) the battery endurance in cycles achieves a minimum of 1 000 full charge cycles and after 1 000 full charge cycles the battery has, in a fully charged state, a remaining capacity of at least 80 % of the rated capacity;
> (c) the device meets IP67 rating.
[1]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32023R1542#art_11 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...
[2]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32023R1670#anx_II https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...
- peterlada 5mo agoThis is solid. I like it.
- motbus3 5mo agoI can strongly state that it is 100% possible to do ip67 with removable batteries in the sense people general mean. That said, I am afraid how one can play with the definition of removable. Everything is removable given enough force.
- FeepingCreature 5mo agoEU courts generally frown on such shenanigans.
- throwaway2037 5mo agoGreat point. This sections closes that opportunity: > No barriers: The use of adhesives that can only be removed with heat or solvents is prohibited. The whole "removable (but only) with a jackhammer" is negated immediately.
- vrighter 5mo agothe galaxy s5 had everything we are told they removed for waterproofing. removable back cover and battery, and a headphone jack
- arendtio 5mo agoBut what exactly is a charge cycle? I mean, the effect on a battery being loaded from 0% to 100% and drained to 0% again is vastly different from a battery being charged from 40% to 50% and being used until 40% ten times in a row.
- SoftTalker 5mo agoAnd how many people have the free mental space to manage the charge capacity of their phone? I plug mine into the charger when I go to bed, and unplug it in the morning when I start my day. I don't have time to think about phone charge levels much beyond that.
- lostlogin 5mo agoThe will mange it for you - the iOS setting app has options to do this.
- PaulHoule 5mo agoCan’t say I really trust that stuff like “charge only when green energy is available”. It’s a nice idea but whenever I’ve used Android devices my expectation was that sometimes I plug in my device at night but it doesn’t really charge and I am not going to pay top dollar and deal with life in a walled garden to have that experience.
- tzs 5mo agoMaybe you can do an 80% charge limit on Android the same way I do on my iPad 10?¹ My charger is plugged into a smart plug, and I have an automation written using Apple Shortcuts that turns that smart plug off via Matter whenever the iPad's charge rises above 80%. I don't know much about Android but assume there must be some way to do similar automations (because I've never seen in any of the Android vs iPhone arguments someone say go with iPhone because of superior automation support). I recommend going with Matter for the smart plug because if you use the manufacturer's app to control it those often require that you be logged in. The problem with that (beyond any annoyance you might have at needing to make an account to use your device) is that the login might occasionally expire, then your automation breaks. ¹I can't use Apple's charge limit setting because for some reason I can't even guess at when they finally added it to iPadOS they only added it iPads newer than my iPad 10.
- Dagonfly 5mo agoJust to be clear: There is an official notice of the EU commission making this legal argument: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:52025XC00214 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:52... > Consequently, in the case of portable batteries included in products covered by Regulation (EU) 2023/1670, the removability and replaceability obligations set out in Annex II of that Regulation prevail over those set out in Regulation (EU) 2023/1542. The ecodesign law (spare part but 1000 cycle exemption) pevails over the batteries law.