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Trump administration cites national security in stalling 165 wind farms

15 points by ndr42 5mo ago

tcp_handshaker 5mo ago
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jacquesm 5mo ago
Which is obviously complete bullshit. National Security is the 'trump' card played to explain almost every inexplicable policy. It comes with the added advantage that if someone doesn't want to play the game you get to label them as 'not a patriot'.
- ndr42 5mo ago
  I don't get the why. If you are a government against renewable energy (for whatever reason) you should have enough ways to stop or slow down the process in general. Why are these specific projects so important that you are risking to get sued and lose?
  - jacquesm 5mo ago
    Because they get to make a little bit more money in the short term. It's funny though: they're tilting at windmills in the most literal sense of the world. Or, it would be funny if not for the consequences.
    - deflator 5mo ago
      It's still kind of funny. Good catch. I love it when things are both literal and figurative at the same time.
      - jacquesm 5mo ago
        More funny when you realize they were both called Don...
AnimalMuppet 5mo ago
Can anyone steelman this in any way that makes sense? The best I could come up with is that windfarms might clutter up radar images for low-level (cruise missile or similar) attacks. Is that a realistic concern? Can anyone come up with a real reason that would make sense? And, of course, if you say "baloney, in what possible way does this affect national security?", the administration can respond, "we can't tell you because of national security". So you can't definitively say that it's baloney, because they won't tell you what their alleged reasoning is.
- salawat 5mo ago
  Hint: Stop assuming benevolent intent and everything makes perfect sense. Hanlon's Razor is the tool that makes the professional world go blind. There are evil, self-serving people who don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves. Just be prepared for the mental backlash when you realize we've built our systems to preferentially elevate those types, and hold onto your butt through the recalibration through despair phase. It's going to be a bumpy ride.
dalyons 5mo ago
Projects on private land, by private capital. 30gwh / 9 million homes of energy. In an energy cost crisis (nevermind the climate crisis). Can you possibly dream of a stupider, more self destructive, more anti-capitalist, more anti-american policy? Its truly indefensible.

15 points by ndr42 5mo ago

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Which is obviously complete bullshit. National Security is the 'trump' card played to explain almost every inexplicable policy. It comes with the added advantage that if someone doesn't want to play the game you get to label them as 'not a patriot'.

ndr42 5mo ago
I don't get the why. If you are a government against renewable energy (for whatever reason) you should have enough ways to stop or slow down the process in general. Why are these specific projects so important that you are risking to get sued and lose?
- jacquesm 5mo ago
  Because they get to make a little bit more money in the short term. It's funny though: they're tilting at windmills in the most literal sense of the world. Or, it would be funny if not for the consequences.
  - deflator 5mo ago
    It's still kind of funny. Good catch. I love it when things are both literal and figurative at the same time.
    - jacquesm 5mo ago
      More funny when you realize they were both called Don...

AnimalMuppet 5mo ago

Can anyone steelman this in any way that makes sense? The best I could come up with is that windfarms might clutter up radar images for low-level (cruise missile or similar) attacks. Is that a realistic concern? Can anyone come up with a real reason that would make sense? And, of course, if you say "baloney, in what possible way does this affect national security?", the administration can respond, "we can't tell you because of national security". So you can't definitively say that it's baloney, because they won't tell you what their alleged reasoning is.

salawat 5mo ago
Hint: Stop assuming benevolent intent and everything makes perfect sense. Hanlon's Razor is the tool that makes the professional world go blind. There are evil, self-serving people who don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves. Just be prepared for the mental backlash when you realize we've built our systems to preferentially elevate those types, and hold onto your butt through the recalibration through despair phase. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

dalyons 5mo ago

Projects on private land, by private capital. 30gwh / 9 million homes of energy. In an energy cost crisis (nevermind the climate crisis). Can you possibly dream of a stupider, more self destructive, more anti-capitalist, more anti-american policy? Its truly indefensible.