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To me he sounds inexperienced/naive and a little scared (and thus “defensive”) but well-intentioned. His response makes me believe that he didn’t do it for fame
by 47282847 5mo ago
To me he sounds inexperienced/naive and a little scared (and thus “defensive”) but well-intentioned. His response makes me believe that he didn’t do it for fame, to deceive, or other selfish reasons.
- AureliusMA 5mo agoI don't believe that he is naive. It looks like he wants to use the Notepad++ brand authority to capture the notepad++ macos market (which is big!) Thus he is infringing on a trademark for his own benefit.
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- Matl 5mo ago> capture the notepad++ macos market Is it big? Notepad++ is big in the Windows world but I am not certain that it is automatically big on Mac. They have much more Mac-native feeling editors like TextMate, Nova, Cot, even SublimeText feels more macOS-ishy than Notepad++ I am on Linux, Notepad++ is not a name of concern on here at all and if it ever came to Linux most people wouldn't notice. If you're in the Windows world that might seem like an improbability given how big it is there, but trust me, it's not a well known name anywhere else.
- lukan 5mo ago"I am on Linux, Notepad++ is not a name of concern on here at all and if it ever came to Linux most people wouldn't notice." Strong disagree. The thing I miss in linux most is notepad++ or something as capable and usable (open for suggestions, but chances are I already tried them)
- throwaway270925 5mo agoAny pointers on what exactly you miss compared to Linux alternatives like Kate, Sublime, VSCode, etc? (Assuming you already tried them)
- lukan 5mo agoSublime I like, but is proprietary (and there was something else). VScode is too heavy, kate as well. (But maybe with kate I just need to modify the key bindings so they match what I am used to, I only recently tried it out) Basically, I want code folding(with option to collapse all the tree), macrorecording, search (replace) in files, but with all the goodies notepadd++ provides, where I can easily set the folder to search, what filepatterns to exclude etc.
- 47282847 5mo agoZed?
- technothrasher 5mo agoNotepadqq is a decent crack at a Notepad++ clone for Linux, but it is no longer actively maintained.
- lukan 5mo agoThanks, I did not try out that one, though it being abandoned is of course not great.
- pjc50 5mo agoInteresting. I'd have thought that Linux users would go traditional (vi vs. Emacs) or for something heavier (vscode), or quick and easy for when you just need $EDITOR (nano).
- lukan 5mo agoFor some reasons I never liked vi nor emacs, vscode is indeed too heavy and nano too awkward. I use mostly xed, but it lacks compared to notepad++
- philistine 5mo ago> I miss There's the rub, I miss. Notepad++ is thoroughly a Windows app. Linux and Mac natives have no appetite for one of the most thoroughly Windows-ass Windows app around. Switchers, sure. But take me as an example. I've been on a Mac since 2007. At this point I'm a native. I'm not even aware of what Notepad++ really does.
- lukan 5mo agoWell, I am a "switcher" since 20 years, so rather OS agnostic. I regulaty switch between linux and windows (and chromeos) and sometimes mac and ideally I want all my apps to work the same, no matter the OS.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5mo agoI thought actual n++ worked well in WINE?
- lukan 5mo agoNot the last times I tried it, but it has been a while (but I did also recently read about problems .. and I need a text editor to work without problems)
- 6AA4FD 5mo agoAlways vim, never really understood why people use anything else for a dumb ide.
- lukan 5mo agoOk, I might give it a try again. Funny thing: I googled "vim" and google replied with: "did you mean emacs?"
- theanonymousone 5mo agoI have been using NotepadNext. Works fine.
- prepend 5mo agoIt’s probably a few thousand users. When I switched to mac, I looked for notepad++ and settled on BBEdit (which is awesome and funny I forgot about it all these years). This doesn’t seem like for money, but for esteem.
- shagie 5mo agoA shout out for BBEdit which is a 34 year old Mac native text editor that maintains a freemium license (and the free version is still quite featureful). It doesn’t suck.® I've maintained my copy of it from back in the MacOS 7.x days.
- f3408fh 5mo agoA malicious actor would be happy to be publicly labeled inexperienced/naive.
- doginasuit 5mo agoThat reasoning holds but it is not based on any of the facts at hand. There's a reason why any community worth being apart of has a tendency to assume good faith. People make mistakes. I respect Don Ho's response and I don't see how the pitchfork brigade is bringing anything valuable to the situation.
- f3408fh 5mo agoIf you’d actually installed it and realized afterward that you’d been misled, whether by someone who doesn’t understand trademarks or someone acting in bad faith, you’d probably feel differently. Leaving a comment on HN in that situation is a pretty reasonable reaction.
- lopis 5mo agoPeople are pissed because instead of taking the feedback, apologizing and acting immediately, he wrote comment after comment giving excuses. What he did is literally illegal, and ignorance or good intentions is not a solid excuse.
- i_think_so 5mo agoThis. A billion times this. The community should be shouting from the rooftops that there is an intruder in the neighborhood. Maybe there's no malice intended and this is just a colossal pile of honest mistakes. Maybe this author is as clueless as he appears. Maybe, but until he appears at the United Nations and doxes himself before embarking on a world wide apology tour, nobody in their right mind should install that binary. I wouldn't even run the build script in a sandbox.
- wartywhoa23 5mo agoThe inverse Hanlon's razor cuts much better than the original one these days: Never attribute to stupidity (incompetence|naivety) that which is adequately explained by malice.
- LeCompteSftware 5mo agoThe smarmy dishonesty about "expanding the Notepad++ brand" actually is selfish and ill-intentioned. Perhaps he is too young and naive to fully understand that he is being parasitic. But naivety is a well-travelled path towards malice. Regardless, he absolutely deserves to be shamed on GitHub for this. I don't like the online culture of public shame and sandbagging - I think this GitHub thread should be closed now that it's viral - but sometimes people actually do things they should be ashamed of. This needs to be a tough lesson.
- efilife 5mo agoI'm spamming this everywhere - taken from his blog: > I've shipped fintech and risk products at Moody's, BNY, AxiomSL, Amex and many more. I've built platforms, designed user experiences, assembled portfolio analytics and worked on professional services teams. Also' he's not young. Check his github avatar
- f3408fh 5mo agoIt sounds like BS. Guy’s done it all if you believe his resume.
- efilife 5mo agoThat's kinda the point. No matter if it's true or not, it puts him in bad light
- LeCompteSftware 5mo agoYou know, what's frustrating is that when I first contemptuously dismissed "Notepad++ for MacOS" as a trademark violation I did skim that stuff and accordingly just sort of assumed the port was technically legitimate, but disrespectful of copyright. But of course it was vibe-coded, and apparently chock full of stupid bugs that would have been caught with adequate manual testing. Why wouldn't I assume otherwise? This from his website is pretty funny: These days I'm deep in multi-agent AI and honestly it's changed everything. I build with both hands, one on the code, one on the vision. I can finally bring to life ideas I've been carrying around for years that always needed too many people and too many quarters. The first well-known software he vibe-coded is a buggy port of something a talented human spent many decades hand-crafting. The slop project is completely devoid of creativity or imagination, and it's going down in public flames because he was stupid about copyright. Kind of cartoonish, actually.
- pndy 5mo agoI don't wanna be rude but it looks like this guy just arrived on the Internet this year - around March-April and it doesn't seem like he has any prior activity. He just decided to roll this Notepad++ for macOS and that's it Also, his medium avatar looks awfully generated.
- RobotToaster 5mo agoIt reads to me like English isn't his first language. Either way the complexities of open source licensing are something a lot of people don't understand.
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- RobotToaster 5mo agoThere's a term for making conclusions about someone based on their race.
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- harmonics 5mo agoNo, you're simply being a bigoted ass. I am not surprised that your comments are not dead, as it's been perfectly acceptable to insinuate various things about certain groups of people here, or even straight up write horrible things about them, based on nothing but their surface characteristics. As long as you're careful to avoid some "protected" groups, that is. Even the tired excuse of "I am just asking questions" is there, slightly modified. I consulted Jia Tan on his opinion of this situation, but he is yet to respond. In Mandarin Chinese, of course.
- cryptonym 5mo agoFirst step would be taking down the website, second step is an apology, third step is bringing back online with new branding and eventually a final word to thank them, share the link and say they remain open to criticism. It's not rocket science. Pretty sure even his LLM would give that strategy and implement it without burning too many tokens. More than inexperienced, either he really can't read a room or he knows very well what he is doing.
- lopis 5mo agoRight? Instead we get: - Saying he's hoping Don allows it - "I actually did nothing wrong" - "I actually did nothing wrong" part 2 - "I actually did nothing wrong" part 3 - Why are you so mad? Give me a week - Why are you so mad? I added more lies to the website - Why are you so mad? I'm working on it ... over the course of 2 days. Shutting down the website and pulling the app offline should have taken minutes.
- 47282847 5mo agoPeople react differently to feedback without necessarily bad intentions. Not everyone is ready to instantly admit mistakes. Empathy goes a long way.
- HumblyTossed 5mo agoReading the above, how much empathy does someone need to give before they can feel the other party has bad intentions? "No" needs to mean something.
- 47282847 5mo agoIt’s not either-or. You can tell people No and be empathetic to their reasons at the same time. Understanding doesn’t mean agreement or acceptance. It also doesn’t mean you excuse their behavior, or allow it to continue. Empathy doesn’t mean you like what they’re doing. That would be sympathy. In fact, understanding makes it easier to get people to do what you want. Some argue that it is even a precondition, to meet someone where they are, to get them to change their ways. The other remaining option is violence/force, which will not fundamentally change their behavior but only shift the problematic behavior elsewhere (and often make it worse).
- freehorse 5mo agoTo me it seems like a "idgaf" mentality, and trying to get as much and push as far as he can. Never in his replies he shows any sign of admitting that he should not have put the notepad++ name like this, that it looked like an actual endorsement and this was wrong. He just finally (after putting repeated pressure) accepts to change the branding. I don't understand why some people like him do that and how. I assume it is the "fake it till you make it" mentality, like "fake the endorsement until they actually endorse your project". Clearly doesn't work like this, but if this mentality has gotten you far, why not try it here too? You can be inexperienced and naive, and at the same time understand when you make a mistake. Being "inexperienced" because you actively refuse to learn from what people tell you that you do wrong is not inexperience anymore.
- wang_li 5mo agoWhat LLMs have brought to our industry is exposure of how many people in it are total pieces of shit. You have the hucksters who are out there trying to get you to invest in their LLM startup and they constantly use language that is functionally lying about what their product is by likening what it does to actual functioning human brains and personalities. You have the fantasists who see a grammatically correct sentence as proof of omnipotence and then run around telling everyone how AI has totally changed everything. You have the posers who use LLMs to cut-n-paste code from other's repos, directly and indirectly, and then claim they wrote it and pretend to have skills and abilities they don't have. Then you have the ignoramuses in media and such who know nothing, they hear all the hucksters and fantasists jibber-jabbing and proceed to flood the world with untrue stories about AI and it's affects on society.
- efilife 5mo ago> I've shipped fintech and risk products at Moody's, BNY, AxiomSL, Amex and many more. I've built platforms, designed user experiences, assembled portfolio analytics and worked on professional services teams. No inexperience here. It is malice
- sleepybrett 5mo agothats a lot of companies for a guy so young. Probably gets the boot a bunch.
- lukan 5mo agoHe was told by the original author to not use the name for his project 5 days ago. 3 days ago he wrote "Guys, all I wanted to do is to make Notepad++ available on mac and keep it open and free. I'm talking to Don. I really hope he will be ok with the name. It actually expands notepad++ brand to mac." Already ignoring the authors wishes. He said clearly it is not OK and wants the name changed. That's it - but he keeps ignoring it. I fail to see good intentions here.
- emaro 5mo agoYeah. And if you want to expand an existing brand that's not yours, you ask first, and only continue after a green light from the owner.
- lukan 5mo agoWell, that part might be temporarily excused by naivety. But he did ask, was not replied to - and he did it anyway. So I actually do not believe in naivety. And now it is past that point anyway.
- dylan604 5mo agoYou mean asking for forgiveness is easier than asking for permission is not a valid way to walk through life?
- lukan 5mo agoIn general really no, but I do see the point in not asking for permission for everything to get anything done. (I am german, here the saying is, anything not explicitely allowed is forbidden and there is no fun in this) But I hate the stance when people do it, when it is clear that no permission will be given. To establish facts on the ground so to say. (But there are exceptions where I think it is legit)
- koiueo 5mo agoJudging by the fork author's name, should've asked them in russian :-/
- whateverboat 5mo agoProduct manager in software for 10 years. I cannot believe the inexperienced defense.
- tsukurimashou 5mo agothe road to hell is paved with good intentions
- gilrain 5mo ago> His response makes me believe … I’d pay more attention to his behavior.
- koiueo 5mo agoNaive my ass. From the fork's authors page > Andrey Letov is a New York product leader and software engineer. And then a long list of professional achievements follows. He knows exactly what he's doing
- taco_emoji 5mo agoAll of his responses are moronic misreadings of NP++'s actual author's comments, which lead me to believe that he is acting entirely in bad faith.