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I'm pretty sure dismissing flutter is ignoring reality. It, and more so dart, are not popular on HN, but it definitely is a popular and still in development tru

by ifh-hn 6mo ago

I'm pretty sure dismissing flutter is ignoring reality. It, and more so dart, are not popular on HN, but it definitely is a popular and still in development truly cross platform framework.

einpoklum 6mo ago
Where would one go to familiarize one's self with Flutter and with dart?
- ifh-hn 6mo ago
  https://flutter.dev/ https://flutter.dev/ https://dart.dev/ https://dart.dev/ https://dartpad.dev/ https://dartpad.dev/
  - einpoklum 6mo ago
    I saw that - and it doesn't seem to fit the bill. First, Dart is a language, not a GUI toolkit; and Flutter seems to be focused on Dart. It also seems to be opinionated in other ways in the introduction, rather than exemplifying its flexibility and adaptability to _your_ platform, programming language etc. Most importantly, it seems it will get you to produce apps whose UI fits a mobile phone rather than a desktop. I also get the sense that Google has strong control over this project. Maybe I'm mis-perceiving - but that's the impression the flutter.dev site gives people.
    - ifh-hn 6mo ago
      Dart is the language flutter (the gui toolkit) is written in. I've no idea what you mean regarding: "rather than exemplifying its flexibility and adaptability to _your_ platform, programming language etc". It can produced mobile, web, or desktop apps from the same codebase... Dart and flutter are open source projects supported by Google, like android and go lang. Seems like you're looking for excuses not to use dart/flutter. That's fine but you could just say you don't want to use them.
      - einpoklum 6mo ago
        > Dart is the language flutter (the gui toolkit) is written in. Well, that's already a strong barrier to its use. When creating a GUI for an app, the toolkit must offer bindings for the language you're using, it's not you that needs to learn a bespoke language just to use the toolkit. > It can produced mobile, web, or desktop apps from the same codebase... That's the thing - not really. It seems it can produce a web or a mobile app while will _run_ on the desktop. But mobile and web apps do _not_ work as desktop apps, nor the other way around; the whole UI/UX language is different... even if some companies try to foist mobile apps onto desktop users.
        ifh-hn 6mo ago
        Obviously if you are unwilling to learn a new language then yes flutter is not going to do it for you. Flutter is Dart's gui framework and it's excellent. Dart however is itself a lovely language and extremely easy to pick up if you have any knowledge in programming. Much easier than learning the flutter framework to be honest. > That's the thing - not really. If you were to spend some time learning dart and flutter you'd know this to be false. But I'm not here to change you mind as you've already made it.
- keyle 6mo ago
  If you've done some SwiftUI or Flex or WPF or similar, Flutter is pretty easy to pick up. Dart is really easy to pick up, it's a beautiful language imho.
alcidesfonseca 6mo ago
What popular desktop application is written in flutter? Asking honestly, because none of the ones I use is.
- keyle 6mo ago
  A ton of industry applications are written in flutter. Point of sale systems, automotive interfaces, bespoke industry applications within offices, etc. The install base would be huge, and it's a solid cross-platform option.
- faangguyindia 6mo ago
  localsend

by ifh-hn 6mo ago

I'm pretty sure dismissing flutter is ignoring reality. It, and more so dart, are not popular on HN, but it definitely is a popular and still in development truly cross platform framework.

einpoklum 6mo ago

Where would one go to familiarize one's self with Flutter and with dart?

ifh-hn 6mo ago
https://flutter.dev/ https://flutter.dev/ https://dart.dev/ https://dart.dev/ https://dartpad.dev/ https://dartpad.dev/
- einpoklum 6mo ago
  I saw that - and it doesn't seem to fit the bill. First, Dart is a language, not a GUI toolkit; and Flutter seems to be focused on Dart. It also seems to be opinionated in other ways in the introduction, rather than exemplifying its flexibility and adaptability to _your_ platform, programming language etc. Most importantly, it seems it will get you to produce apps whose UI fits a mobile phone rather than a desktop. I also get the sense that Google has strong control over this project. Maybe I'm mis-perceiving - but that's the impression the flutter.dev site gives people.
  - ifh-hn 6mo ago
    Dart is the language flutter (the gui toolkit) is written in. I've no idea what you mean regarding: "rather than exemplifying its flexibility and adaptability to _your_ platform, programming language etc". It can produced mobile, web, or desktop apps from the same codebase... Dart and flutter are open source projects supported by Google, like android and go lang. Seems like you're looking for excuses not to use dart/flutter. That's fine but you could just say you don't want to use them.
    - einpoklum 6mo ago
      > Dart is the language flutter (the gui toolkit) is written in. Well, that's already a strong barrier to its use. When creating a GUI for an app, the toolkit must offer bindings for the language you're using, it's not you that needs to learn a bespoke language just to use the toolkit. > It can produced mobile, web, or desktop apps from the same codebase... That's the thing - not really. It seems it can produce a web or a mobile app while will _run_ on the desktop. But mobile and web apps do _not_ work as desktop apps, nor the other way around; the whole UI/UX language is different... even if some companies try to foist mobile apps onto desktop users.
      - ifh-hn 6mo ago
        Obviously if you are unwilling to learn a new language then yes flutter is not going to do it for you. Flutter is Dart's gui framework and it's excellent. Dart however is itself a lovely language and extremely easy to pick up if you have any knowledge in programming. Much easier than learning the flutter framework to be honest. > That's the thing - not really. If you were to spend some time learning dart and flutter you'd know this to be false. But I'm not here to change you mind as you've already made it.
keyle 6mo ago
If you've done some SwiftUI or Flex or WPF or similar, Flutter is pretty easy to pick up. Dart is really easy to pick up, it's a beautiful language imho.

alcidesfonseca 6mo ago

What popular desktop application is written in flutter? Asking honestly, because none of the ones I use is.

keyle 6mo ago
A ton of industry applications are written in flutter. Point of sale systems, automotive interfaces, bespoke industry applications within offices, etc. The install base would be huge, and it's a solid cross-platform option.
faangguyindia 6mo ago
localsend