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Look back to the earliest version of the history and information of various countries on Wikipedia. They say themselves they were from US State department or C
by regularization 5mo ago
Look back to the earliest version of the history and information of various countries on Wikipedia. They say themselves they were from US State department or CIA histories of those countries.
I was editing a page on the US massacre of civilians in No Gun Ri, Korea with some IP at CENTCOM removing my edits. I spend my off tine trying to send in facts of what happened, my taxes from my on time pay for some propaganda arm of the US armed forces to remove it.
As the US kidnaps the president of Venezuela and his wife, blockades Cuba, bombs Iran and on and on, great to know someone else is smearing Russia to further my tax dollars funding the endless war on their borders too.
- cmrdporcupine 5mo agoIt's almost like both imperialist powers could be problematic and awful and we don't have to pick a side or excuse the actions of the one because the other does the same.
- kelipso 5mo ago[flagged]
- cmrdporcupine 5mo agoI mean that's clearly not the case. I'm swimming in anti-imperialist anti-US content. That it doesn't lead to mass action and the end of the current state of the American regime is a domestic American population problem, not a missing information problem. There is no poverty of information. The fact of the matter is a powerful section of the US population benefits from the current situation.
- kelipso 5mo agoThere is no poverty of information depending on your news bubble.
- shevy-java 5mo agoEverything is a news bubble though. People incur bias from anywhere. Wikipedia just, in general, has less spin usually than some private media outlet.
- jzb 5mo ago“There is no poverty of information.” Quite the opposite, in fact. But there’s a difference between the information being present somewhere, and a reasonable way to get that information in front of people in an actionable form. We’re drowning in “information,” at present. But the mass media narratives that are most readily available distort things quite a bit for a lot of reasons. (Ratings, owner bias/interference, format.)
- Pay08 5mo agoSee, from my perspective, that is exactly the problem. The people pushing said "anti-imperialist, anti-US" content are often the same people that defend Putin's invasion of Ukraine. The reality however, is that these are niche bubbles empowered by the internet. Once we realise how harmful they are, they'll be moderated or cut off.
- shevy-java 5mo agoIn general imperalism is annoying to no ends. Smaller countries get abused. I think this is not really connected to Wikipedia. Wikipedia has a quality-control problem; even if all state-actors were not to try to ruin Wikipedia, that quality-control issue would still persist. Wikipedia needs to improve its intrinsic quality. Instead what it seems to do as of late, is make pointless UI changes. I hate this "you can hide the toolkit here" - that simply should not be on by default. I only want the content as-is, not side bars with useless things I am never going to use anyway.
- drysine 5mo ago>In general imperalism is annoying to no ends. Smaller countries get abused. And in turn abuse even smaller nations like Georgia abused South Ossetia and Abkhazia. And these tiny nations abused their Georgian minorities
- ascorbic 5mo agoIt's possible for both to be bad and yet one to be worse
- stingraycharles 5mo agoSeems like the original skepticism about a public, “everyone can edit” Wikipedia is taking shape as international information warfare intensifies. Especially with LLMs being trained on Wikipedia (probably pretty extensively), the impact of these edits should not be dismissed.
- Permit 5mo ago[flagged]
- Chinjut 5mo agoWhat about it?
- jampekka 5mo agoSeems to be very critical of western, and especially American, foreign policy. Reasonably well argued and factual, although a bit edgy at times. A decent read.
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- elzbardico 5mo agoYes, it seems to be critical of American policies. so what?
- rpdillon 5mo ago> some IP at CENTCOM How was this determined?
- regularization 5mo agoBecause the IP is in the edit, and the reverse DNS went back there (and ARIN did not disagree) More info on this in my other reply.
- rolph 5mo agoAn Introduction to IP Spoofing (and How to Prevent It) https://kinsta.com/blog/ip-spoofing/ https://kinsta.com/blog/ip-spoofing/
- digitalPhonix 5mo agoThat doesn’t work for an HTTP request (or any stateful communication that requires return traffic)
- rolph 5mo agoits a dated article, but the concept of IP spoof works, and has been modified to fit the state of tech, its more than just forging the return address in an IP header. https://owasp.org/www-community/pages/attacks/ip_spoofing_via_http_headers https://owasp.org/www-community/pages/attacks/ip_spoofing_vi... https://github.com/ParsaKSH/spoof-tunnel https://github.com/ParsaKSH/spoof-tunnel
- cowboylowrez 5mo agoThe term IP spoofing used to really only apply to some networking layer in my experience, placing bogus ips in headers was more likely called header forgery and happened in the application. It wouldn't make sense for wikipedia to rely on easily forged headers when they can simply examine the network connection and use that address. Actual IP spoofing still can't really impersonate a valid tcp connection unless its all send and no read, even with your second link, both sides of the "tunnel" have to spoof the source ip in their messages so thats not likely going to happen with wikipedia unless their security gets broken somehow and in that case well all bets are off lol
- hhh 5mo agoLink to the edit removing your changes?
- regularization 5mo agoThey removed changes and added their own stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/214.13.216.142 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/214.13.2... ARIN shows that 214.0.0.0/8 CIDR is still US Department of Defense (or Department of War as Trump and Hegseth aptly call it) but reverse DNS over 20 years later does not still point to the same CENTCOM IP. Also to a point - US military propaganda arm was doing this over 20 years ago. After getting the gift of country articles to mostly come verbatim from CIA and US State department sheets.
- swed420 5mo ago[flagged]
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- pphysch 5mo ago[flagged]
- justin66 5mo ago> They say themselves they were from US State department or CIA histories of those countries. Given Wikipedia’s rules and origin, it’d make perfect sense if the early articles referenced the CIA World Factbook when describing countries, if that’s what you’re talking about. There was a dearth of online, open source material to draw from 25 years ago, and on the uncontroversial basic facts the factbook would be fine as an up to date online reference until something else was available. That would be a rather different issue than CENTCOM employees altering descriptions of the history of US government atrocities.