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Realistically speaking, why is that a problem? What is the point of music if not enjoyment? If these people enjoy it, what's wrong with it?

lifeformed 5mo ago
It takes away from real human artists who do their part to slowly advance human culture. Music will not develop without human artists. Maybe for this moment in time AI can fulfill some people's musical desires, but it's not going to keep up with the times. The point of art, in a general sense, is humanity. Automating away your artistic needs is like automating away your social needs. It's a one way "relationship" that is superficial and self-indulgent. It's a step towards an empty world.
- neonstatic 5mo ago
  That's the creator's perspective. From a listener's perspective, it's "do I enjoy it" or "do I not enjoy it". Everything else is intellectualization.
  - card_zero 5mo ago
    But that means nothing. There's no raw "enjoy", except maybe drugs, and I have my doubts about that.
    - neonstatic 5mo ago
      > There's no raw "enjoy" What do you mean?
- Ferret7446 5mo ago
  Painters said the same thing about cameras
  - Zopieux 5mo ago
    And turns out there is still room to enjoy both photography and paintings as their own art forms.
- pixel_popping 5mo ago
  Why would music not develop without human artists? This isn't true at all, "AI" isn't necessary LLM as well, there is plenty of ways for AI to innovate, and let's be real, most musics from humans are a bit of copy-cat nowadays, ton of AI music actually made me vibe personally and stuff I haven't heard before. Have you tried a day of listening solely to AI music? I feel you might change your mind, sure sometimes there is some serious off-tune (feels like an hallucination from the model) but we know this is temporary. PS: I'm conscious of what it does to humanity, but there is also facts that AI does produce great songs, that's 2 different discussions.
RiverCrochet 5mo ago
You hear a song with vocals that strongly emotionally resonate with you, reminding you of your mother who passed away recently after a long terrible illness. You want to know more about the singer that almost brought you to tears, only to find there is none and that the song was AI generated.
- neonstatic 5mo ago
  So it does something good for you, then you decide to put a label on it due to how it was made. You are letting your mind overwrite a genuine response you had based on an opinion that "it should not feel good because it's AI made". As I said in another comment - intelectualization.
  - card_zero 5mo ago
    It does something good for you emotionally, via cognition. Further cognition ruins this. Never meet your heroes, sort of thing.
  - Dylan16807 5mo ago
    > you decide to put a label on it due to how it was made That is not what they said. This reads like you're replying to a previous post and ignoring the actual explanation they gave.
    - neonstatic 5mo ago
      It's my interpretation of "only to find there is none and that the song was AI generated" in this context
      - Dylan16807 5mo ago
        The key words are "there is none". It's not the label, it's the lack of the person writing those lyrics.
        5mo ago

lifeformed 5mo ago

It takes away from real human artists who do their part to slowly advance human culture. Music will not develop without human artists. Maybe for this moment in time AI can fulfill some people's musical desires, but it's not going to keep up with the times. The point of art, in a general sense, is humanity. Automating away your artistic needs is like automating away your social needs. It's a one way "relationship" that is superficial and self-indulgent. It's a step towards an empty world.

neonstatic 5mo ago
That's the creator's perspective. From a listener's perspective, it's "do I enjoy it" or "do I not enjoy it". Everything else is intellectualization.
- card_zero 5mo ago
  But that means nothing. There's no raw "enjoy", except maybe drugs, and I have my doubts about that.
  - neonstatic 5mo ago
    > There's no raw "enjoy" What do you mean?
Ferret7446 5mo ago
Painters said the same thing about cameras
- Zopieux 5mo ago
  And turns out there is still room to enjoy both photography and paintings as their own art forms.
pixel_popping 5mo ago
Why would music not develop without human artists? This isn't true at all, "AI" isn't necessary LLM as well, there is plenty of ways for AI to innovate, and let's be real, most musics from humans are a bit of copy-cat nowadays, ton of AI music actually made me vibe personally and stuff I haven't heard before. Have you tried a day of listening solely to AI music? I feel you might change your mind, sure sometimes there is some serious off-tune (feels like an hallucination from the model) but we know this is temporary. PS: I'm conscious of what it does to humanity, but there is also facts that AI does produce great songs, that's 2 different discussions.

RiverCrochet 5mo ago

You hear a song with vocals that strongly emotionally resonate with you, reminding you of your mother who passed away recently after a long terrible illness. You want to know more about the singer that almost brought you to tears, only to find there is none and that the song was AI generated.

neonstatic 5mo ago
So it does something good for you, then you decide to put a label on it due to how it was made. You are letting your mind overwrite a genuine response you had based on an opinion that "it should not feel good because it's AI made". As I said in another comment - intelectualization.
- card_zero 5mo ago
  It does something good for you emotionally, via cognition. Further cognition ruins this. Never meet your heroes, sort of thing.
- Dylan16807 5mo ago
  > you decide to put a label on it due to how it was made That is not what they said. This reads like you're replying to a previous post and ignoring the actual explanation they gave.
  - neonstatic 5mo ago
    It's my interpretation of "only to find there is none and that the song was AI generated" in this context
    - Dylan16807 5mo ago
      The key words are "there is none". It's not the label, it's the lack of the person writing those lyrics.
      - 5mo ago