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Show HN: Site Mogging

70 points by jilles 5mo ago

Hi HN, I've been playing around with Cloudflare's Browser Run and Workers AI to create this funny "website vs website"-website. Google's Gemma 4b model is actually quite good at vision.

kryogen1c 5mo ago
Maybe im not in the target audience, but i had to look up what mogging is because its not explained anywhere
- deleted 5mo ago
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- nailer 5mo ago
  I only heard of it due to a memecoin, and people trying to promote the memecoin using the ‘point at you, laughing cat’ emoji combo.
- rout39574 5mo ago
  The know your meme page on it is extensive. My distillation is: Mogging is behaving as though you expect everyone is going to think you're great because of how you look; in particular that you think you look better than someone right next to you.
- imzadi 5mo ago
  There's an interesting Behind the Bastards podcast about the rise of incel culture and its push into mainstream. It's called "From Elliot Rodger to Clavicular." They talk about the language of incels and how their vocabulary tends to end up in the mainstream at a surprising rate compared to other fringe cultures. "Mogging" is one of those terms that comes from incels.
  - alphawhisky 5mo ago
    My theory is that these people are the stewards of internet culture. Moderators, meme creators, leaders of niche online communities. Therefore the jokes they make spread a lot more easily due to exposure.
    - imzadi 5mo ago
      I think part of it is that people use it ironically to make fun of incel culture but then it gets absorbed into our language unironically. Similar to how AAVE ends up in mainstream language because non-Black people use it ironically (more to make fun of themselves), but then it ends up becoming an everyday part of the language.
  - ModernMech 5mo ago
    Damn I read that kid's manifesto, he was very messed up. It's crazy that there's a throughline from him to today. He should have been the wakeup call.
- TrackerFF 5mo ago
  It's incel-speak for dominating someone. "IQ-mogged" would mean that person A was dominated/overshadowed/etc. by person B because person B is very smart. "Height-mogged" would mean the same, but due to height.
  - elicash 5mo ago
    That I, an old person, know what it means suggests that it has already gone from (1) the incel or whatever community usage, to (2) ironic usage by others, and then finally to (3) widespread usage entirely divorced from the original meaning.
    - alphawhisky 5mo ago
      Nah it kept it's meaning, just spread more. If anything, the level of abstraction grew. "Mogged' used to be a standalone phrase, but now it's always "___mogged".
      - elicash 5mo ago
        Maybe I phrased it poorly, but I just mean the context for it changed as it became mainstream. I wouldn't say it's still "incel-speak."
      - Ancapistani 5mo ago
        Before “mogged” was a standalone phrase, it was apparently “AMOG” - “Alpha Male of the Group”. I don’t remember knowing that before this conversation. I asked Claude for the history of the term, then for primary sources, and manually put the below together to show a history of the term over time: ———— Stage 1: “AMOG” == “Alpha male of the group”. > she is not yet into you and a AMOG upsurps you September 2003 https://web.archive.org/web/20231203102826/http://www.fastseduction.com/files/phrases/mystery_lounge/mystery_lounge_037.html https://web.archive.org/web/20231203102826/http://www.fastse... ———— Stage 2: “amogged” ~= “dominated” > He will never AMOG you agian. August 2005 https://web.archive.org/web/20240719094244/http://www.fastseduction.com/files/phrases/amog/amog_004.html https://web.archive.org/web/20240719094244/http://www.fastse... ———— Stage 3: “mogged” (transition to a word without the context of the original initialism) > Once thought invincible the mightly 6'8" 330 pound Martyn Ford is easily mogged upon May 2016 https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/37236240/ https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/37236240/ ———— Stage 4: “-mog” (noun), “-mogging” (verb) > he heightmogs hard December 2020 https://looksmax.org/threads/why-are-height-mogs-not-as-brutal-as-everyone-makes-them-out-to-be.253877/ https://looksmax.org/threads/why-are-height-mogs-not-as-brut...
- Cthulhu_ 5mo ago
  What I gathered is that "mog" is from "amog" which means "alpha male of the group", which makes "mogging" being "out-alpha'd". Which isn't new, it goes back years if not decades to the "alpha male" trends through "pick-up artists" to modern-day incel/bro/manosphere/etc subcultures. I know the author from about ten years ago and I'm not surprised he's into it. But also he's Dutch so it's probably used very much ironically / as a joke here.
  - morkalork 5mo ago
    So, classic dick-waving or pissing contest behaviour?
- throwaway902152 5mo ago
  Classic mogging: https://www.youtube.com/@jacob_rees_mogg https://www.youtube.com/@jacob_rees_mogg
- rsynnott 5mo ago
  Although I have the misfortune of knowing what it means, every time I see it some part of my brain assumes it's something to do with cats (via British slang).
  - deleted 5mo ago
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tyleo 5mo ago
This is a fun tool. I compared https://www.tyleo.com https://www.tyleo.com to Hacker News and won (Hacker News got 2.7, not hard to beat). What I really wanted though was just a way to get my own site’s score without having a competitor.
embedding-shape 5mo ago
I don't know what "site mogging" is, but apparently "emsh.cat mogged simonwillison.net" with the following description: > emsh.cat wins due to its superior use of negative space and a more intentional, minimalist typographic hierarchy that creates a sophisticated reading experience. While simonwilliam.net provides high information density, emsh.cat achieves a more polished and modern aesthetic through its refined layout and balanced composition. So "mogged" is about minimalism somehow? Fancy/modern term for "beauty" or similar?
- jszymborski 5mo ago
  Mogging is gen z alphabro/incel speak for "dominating" another that gets used ironically. If I'm taller than you, I might say "get heightmogged". This is used to absurdity, where one is able to get mogged in any number of varieties, including having the nicer website "sitemogged?" https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mogging https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mogging
  - embedding-shape 5mo ago
    So, this would be cperciva HN-mogging sanj, basically? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35079 > cperciva on July 18, 2007 "Did you win the Putnam?" Yes, I did.
    - jszymborski 5mo ago
      I'd say more like Putnam-mogging, but yes, 100% mogging.
  - xg15 5mo ago
    So it's basically "owned", just a generation later... Didn't know Jacob Rees-Mogg was so popular with the kids... (please not)
    - amiga386 5mo ago
      "owning" generally requires doing something to the other person, such as defeating them in an online shooter Whereas you "mog" simply by being within range of the other person, you don't even have to interact, but a third party can see your natural advantages over that other person, thus "mogging" them.
xg15 5mo ago
I love how Hacker News seems to loose out to basically everything, even example.com ("such intentional use of whitespace!")
- Iulioh 5mo ago
  I mean, yeah, that’s to be expected. The site is intentionally kept visually unappealing.
  - randallsquared 5mo ago
    It appeals to a different set of users, I'd say. I strongly prefer it, as it's easy to skim and easy to use.
  - efilife 5mo ago
    Is it really? If so, why?
TrackerFF 5mo ago
Mogging is vocabulary from the incel-community whcih has unfortunately become mainstream. As with so much other incel garbage (like x-maxxing and x-pilling). EDIT: Around 16 years ago I was very much into bodybuilding and fitness, and spent a lot of time on the bodybuilding misc forum. Around that time the incel community started to take shape, and you had forums like PUA hate and other dark corners of the internet. These people were also very active on the bodybuilding forums, and would try to steer users over to the incel communities (interesting note: These communities started out as a place where unsuccessful men could vent over having spent money on pick-up artists, without any results). Those places had a very distinct lingo, which is the very same that you see today with mogging / maxxing / pilling / etc. They even had a glossary. Were those words older than those communities? Yes, very much so. But they've been completely hi-jacked, and any modern usage comes from those communities.
- amiga386 5mo ago
  Consider the possibility that the general public enjoy neologisms regardless of their source, and will take and adapt them just for fun, without ascribing to the ideologies of the coiners. Also consider that people are laughing at the cant and its speakers, rather than with them. If you need evidence of this, try saying this without laughing: "Clavicular was mid jestergooning when a group of Foids came and spiked his Cortisol levels. Is Ignoring the Foids while munting and mogging moids more useful than SMV chadfishing in the club?"
- jjice 5mo ago
  > But they've been completely hi-jacked, and any modern usage comes from those communities. Couldn't you say the same thing about it breaking out into the wider Gen Z vocabulary as well?
- phrotoma 5mo ago
  For completeness, x-maxxing morphed out of "minmaxing" in gaming culture. https://old.reddit.com/r/rpg_gamers/comments/kew14o/ok_what_exactly_is_minmaxing/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rpg_gamers/comments/kew14o/ok_what_... It was fine before they got hold of it.
huflungdung 5mo ago
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mlacks 5mo ago
Shame about the screenshotting feature - it doesn't afford the ability for a more interactive site to really showcase itself. Good example: The site of the family office of the heir to the Nintendo empire only got a 4/10 https://www.y-n10.com/ https://www.y-n10.com/
trizoza 5mo ago
Haha, great project. I had no idea what mogging means, but my underdog site apparently mogged the segment leader: https://sitemogging.com/mogged/dles.aukspot.com-vs-dles.gg https://sitemogging.com/mogged/dles.aukspot.com-vs-dles.gg
fluffet 5mo ago
I love it. It turns out my friends site is mogging mine. Can't let this stand, time to vibe. Thank you for prompting me to act.
endymion-light 5mo ago
Not sure about this one - my slightly terrible portfolio website that i'm in the process of completely revamping (bemben.co.uk) managed to mog simon wilsons webblog (https://simonwillison.net/ https://simonwillison.net/) - which is a far better website in all aspects! Maybe introduce some additional stats like load times, content analysis etc - and tweak the prompt slightly - just because a website looks slightly newer, doesn't mean it's better at all!
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  Fun that we both used simonw as the "competitor", and both of our more minimalistic websites won over him! :) So the obvious next step is to pit them against each other, seems your "premium, editorial feel" won out! > bemben.co.uk wins due to its sophisticated use of typography and a cohesive dark-mode aesthetic that creates a premium, editorial feel. While emsh.cat is functional and clean, it lacks the intentional visual hierarchy and character found in the layout of bemben.co.uk.
  - endymion-light 5mo ago
    I love it saying typography being sophisticated - I have two fonts, one font being from indieground.net!
amiga386 5mo ago
Ironically, Cloudflare won't let Cloudflare Cloudflare: https://sitemogging.com/mogged/asda.com-vs-tesco.com https://sitemogging.com/mogged/asda.com-vs-tesco.com asda.com uses Cloudflare to block Cloudflare tesco.com uses Akamai to block Cloudflare
- Michael666 5mo ago
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frameworkeGPU 5mo ago
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ale42 5mo ago
Interesting: "whitehouse.gov cannot be mogged because it resolves or redirects to a private/internal network address."
- benregenspan 5mo ago
  The first octet of the IP it resolves to is "192", maybe someone implemented the check for private/internal range wrong and is only looking for that.
recsv-heredoc 5mo ago
There's so much tracking on this site it's even running WebGL to try and fingerprint the browser. Is that really necessary for a joke site, or does this ship by default with every CloudFlare site?
gitowiec 5mo ago
Can't use it, the form has captcha which detects me as a bot:(
RhysU 5mo ago
Seems legit for Google vs Kagi: https://sitemogging.com/mogged/google.com-vs-kagi.com https://sitemogging.com/mogged/google.com-vs-kagi.com
photonair 5mo ago
First time I come across mogging, but this looks like a automated evaluation version of a hot or not for websites.
ChrisArchitect 5mo ago
Not to be confused with morging https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47057829 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47057829
dgellow 5mo ago
[flagged]
davey2wavey 5mo ago
This was bound to be a thing. Good stuff lol
lyxal 5mo ago
Websitepilled comparisonmaxxing
tqi 5mo ago
Four(?) years ago this could have been a PhD thesis project
_345 5mo ago
this would work better if gemma 4 actually could tell what it was looking at
HeartStrings 5mo ago
"Sitemogs.com" would have rolled off the tongue better
LocalH 5mo ago
This is funny because to me "mogg" means the encrypted multichannel song audio format for Rock Band games
bheadrick 5mo ago
Love it. Hope the next reveal will be sitemaxxing.
deleted 5mo ago
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70 points by jilles 5mo ago

Hi HN, I've been playing around with Cloudflare's Browser Run and Workers AI to create this funny "website vs website"-website. Google's Gemma 4b model is actually quite good at vision.

kryogen1c 5mo ago

Maybe im not in the target audience, but i had to look up what mogging is because its not explained anywhere

deleted 5mo ago
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nailer 5mo ago
I only heard of it due to a memecoin, and people trying to promote the memecoin using the ‘point at you, laughing cat’ emoji combo.
rout39574 5mo ago
The know your meme page on it is extensive. My distillation is: Mogging is behaving as though you expect everyone is going to think you're great because of how you look; in particular that you think you look better than someone right next to you.
imzadi 5mo ago
There's an interesting Behind the Bastards podcast about the rise of incel culture and its push into mainstream. It's called "From Elliot Rodger to Clavicular." They talk about the language of incels and how their vocabulary tends to end up in the mainstream at a surprising rate compared to other fringe cultures. "Mogging" is one of those terms that comes from incels.
- alphawhisky 5mo ago
  My theory is that these people are the stewards of internet culture. Moderators, meme creators, leaders of niche online communities. Therefore the jokes they make spread a lot more easily due to exposure.
  - imzadi 5mo ago
    I think part of it is that people use it ironically to make fun of incel culture but then it gets absorbed into our language unironically. Similar to how AAVE ends up in mainstream language because non-Black people use it ironically (more to make fun of themselves), but then it ends up becoming an everyday part of the language.
- ModernMech 5mo ago
  Damn I read that kid's manifesto, he was very messed up. It's crazy that there's a throughline from him to today. He should have been the wakeup call.
TrackerFF 5mo ago
It's incel-speak for dominating someone. "IQ-mogged" would mean that person A was dominated/overshadowed/etc. by person B because person B is very smart. "Height-mogged" would mean the same, but due to height.
- elicash 5mo ago
  That I, an old person, know what it means suggests that it has already gone from (1) the incel or whatever community usage, to (2) ironic usage by others, and then finally to (3) widespread usage entirely divorced from the original meaning.
  - alphawhisky 5mo ago
    Nah it kept it's meaning, just spread more. If anything, the level of abstraction grew. "Mogged' used to be a standalone phrase, but now it's always "___mogged".
    - elicash 5mo ago
      Maybe I phrased it poorly, but I just mean the context for it changed as it became mainstream. I wouldn't say it's still "incel-speak."
    - Ancapistani 5mo ago
      Before “mogged” was a standalone phrase, it was apparently “AMOG” - “Alpha Male of the Group”. I don’t remember knowing that before this conversation. I asked Claude for the history of the term, then for primary sources, and manually put the below together to show a history of the term over time: ———— Stage 1: “AMOG” == “Alpha male of the group”. > she is not yet into you and a AMOG upsurps you September 2003 https://web.archive.org/web/20231203102826/http://www.fastseduction.com/files/phrases/mystery_lounge/mystery_lounge_037.html https://web.archive.org/web/20231203102826/http://www.fastse... ———— Stage 2: “amogged” ~= “dominated” > He will never AMOG you agian. August 2005 https://web.archive.org/web/20240719094244/http://www.fastseduction.com/files/phrases/amog/amog_004.html https://web.archive.org/web/20240719094244/http://www.fastse... ———— Stage 3: “mogged” (transition to a word without the context of the original initialism) > Once thought invincible the mightly 6'8" 330 pound Martyn Ford is easily mogged upon May 2016 https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/37236240/ https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/37236240/ ———— Stage 4: “-mog” (noun), “-mogging” (verb) > he heightmogs hard December 2020 https://looksmax.org/threads/why-are-height-mogs-not-as-brutal-as-everyone-makes-them-out-to-be.253877/ https://looksmax.org/threads/why-are-height-mogs-not-as-brut...
Cthulhu_ 5mo ago
What I gathered is that "mog" is from "amog" which means "alpha male of the group", which makes "mogging" being "out-alpha'd". Which isn't new, it goes back years if not decades to the "alpha male" trends through "pick-up artists" to modern-day incel/bro/manosphere/etc subcultures. I know the author from about ten years ago and I'm not surprised he's into it. But also he's Dutch so it's probably used very much ironically / as a joke here.
- morkalork 5mo ago
  So, classic dick-waving or pissing contest behaviour?
throwaway902152 5mo ago
Classic mogging: https://www.youtube.com/@jacob_rees_mogg https://www.youtube.com/@jacob_rees_mogg
rsynnott 5mo ago
Although I have the misfortune of knowing what it means, every time I see it some part of my brain assumes it's something to do with cats (via British slang).
- deleted 5mo ago
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tyleo 5mo ago

This is a fun tool. I compared https://www.tyleo.com https://www.tyleo.com to Hacker News and won (Hacker News got 2.7, not hard to beat). What I really wanted though was just a way to get my own site’s score without having a competitor.

embedding-shape 5mo ago

I don't know what "site mogging" is, but apparently "emsh.cat mogged simonwillison.net" with the following description: > emsh.cat wins due to its superior use of negative space and a more intentional, minimalist typographic hierarchy that creates a sophisticated reading experience. While simonwilliam.net provides high information density, emsh.cat achieves a more polished and modern aesthetic through its refined layout and balanced composition. So "mogged" is about minimalism somehow? Fancy/modern term for "beauty" or similar?

jszymborski 5mo ago
Mogging is gen z alphabro/incel speak for "dominating" another that gets used ironically. If I'm taller than you, I might say "get heightmogged". This is used to absurdity, where one is able to get mogged in any number of varieties, including having the nicer website "sitemogged?" https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mogging https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mogging
- embedding-shape 5mo ago
  So, this would be cperciva HN-mogging sanj, basically? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35079 > cperciva on July 18, 2007 "Did you win the Putnam?" Yes, I did.
  - jszymborski 5mo ago
    I'd say more like Putnam-mogging, but yes, 100% mogging.
- xg15 5mo ago
  So it's basically "owned", just a generation later... Didn't know Jacob Rees-Mogg was so popular with the kids... (please not)
  - amiga386 5mo ago
    "owning" generally requires doing something to the other person, such as defeating them in an online shooter Whereas you "mog" simply by being within range of the other person, you don't even have to interact, but a third party can see your natural advantages over that other person, thus "mogging" them.

xg15 5mo ago

I love how Hacker News seems to loose out to basically everything, even example.com ("such intentional use of whitespace!")

Iulioh 5mo ago
I mean, yeah, that’s to be expected. The site is intentionally kept visually unappealing.
- randallsquared 5mo ago
  It appeals to a different set of users, I'd say. I strongly prefer it, as it's easy to skim and easy to use.
- efilife 5mo ago
  Is it really? If so, why?

TrackerFF 5mo ago

Mogging is vocabulary from the incel-community whcih has unfortunately become mainstream. As with so much other incel garbage (like x-maxxing and x-pilling). EDIT: Around 16 years ago I was very much into bodybuilding and fitness, and spent a lot of time on the bodybuilding misc forum. Around that time the incel community started to take shape, and you had forums like PUA hate and other dark corners of the internet. These people were also very active on the bodybuilding forums, and would try to steer users over to the incel communities (interesting note: These communities started out as a place where unsuccessful men could vent over having spent money on pick-up artists, without any results). Those places had a very distinct lingo, which is the very same that you see today with mogging / maxxing / pilling / etc. They even had a glossary. Were those words older than those communities? Yes, very much so. But they've been completely hi-jacked, and any modern usage comes from those communities.

amiga386 5mo ago
Consider the possibility that the general public enjoy neologisms regardless of their source, and will take and adapt them just for fun, without ascribing to the ideologies of the coiners. Also consider that people are laughing at the cant and its speakers, rather than with them. If you need evidence of this, try saying this without laughing: "Clavicular was mid jestergooning when a group of Foids came and spiked his Cortisol levels. Is Ignoring the Foids while munting and mogging moids more useful than SMV chadfishing in the club?"
jjice 5mo ago
> But they've been completely hi-jacked, and any modern usage comes from those communities. Couldn't you say the same thing about it breaking out into the wider Gen Z vocabulary as well?
phrotoma 5mo ago
For completeness, x-maxxing morphed out of "minmaxing" in gaming culture. https://old.reddit.com/r/rpg_gamers/comments/kew14o/ok_what_exactly_is_minmaxing/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rpg_gamers/comments/kew14o/ok_what_... It was fine before they got hold of it.

huflungdung 5mo ago

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mlacks 5mo ago

Shame about the screenshotting feature - it doesn't afford the ability for a more interactive site to really showcase itself. Good example: The site of the family office of the heir to the Nintendo empire only got a 4/10 https://www.y-n10.com/ https://www.y-n10.com/

trizoza 5mo ago

Haha, great project. I had no idea what mogging means, but my underdog site apparently mogged the segment leader: https://sitemogging.com/mogged/dles.aukspot.com-vs-dles.gg https://sitemogging.com/mogged/dles.aukspot.com-vs-dles.gg

fluffet 5mo ago

I love it. It turns out my friends site is mogging mine. Can't let this stand, time to vibe. Thank you for prompting me to act.

endymion-light 5mo ago

Not sure about this one - my slightly terrible portfolio website that i'm in the process of completely revamping (bemben.co.uk) managed to mog simon wilsons webblog (https://simonwillison.net/ https://simonwillison.net/) - which is a far better website in all aspects! Maybe introduce some additional stats like load times, content analysis etc - and tweak the prompt slightly - just because a website looks slightly newer, doesn't mean it's better at all!

embedding-shape 5mo ago
Fun that we both used simonw as the "competitor", and both of our more minimalistic websites won over him! :) So the obvious next step is to pit them against each other, seems your "premium, editorial feel" won out! > bemben.co.uk wins due to its sophisticated use of typography and a cohesive dark-mode aesthetic that creates a premium, editorial feel. While emsh.cat is functional and clean, it lacks the intentional visual hierarchy and character found in the layout of bemben.co.uk.
- endymion-light 5mo ago
  I love it saying typography being sophisticated - I have two fonts, one font being from indieground.net!

amiga386 5mo ago

Ironically, Cloudflare won't let Cloudflare Cloudflare: https://sitemogging.com/mogged/asda.com-vs-tesco.com https://sitemogging.com/mogged/asda.com-vs-tesco.com asda.com uses Cloudflare to block Cloudflare tesco.com uses Akamai to block Cloudflare

Michael666 5mo ago
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frameworkeGPU 5mo ago

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ale42 5mo ago

Interesting: "whitehouse.gov cannot be mogged because it resolves or redirects to a private/internal network address."

benregenspan 5mo ago
The first octet of the IP it resolves to is "192", maybe someone implemented the check for private/internal range wrong and is only looking for that.

recsv-heredoc 5mo ago

There's so much tracking on this site it's even running WebGL to try and fingerprint the browser. Is that really necessary for a joke site, or does this ship by default with every CloudFlare site?

gitowiec 5mo ago

Can't use it, the form has captcha which detects me as a bot:(

RhysU 5mo ago

Seems legit for Google vs Kagi: https://sitemogging.com/mogged/google.com-vs-kagi.com https://sitemogging.com/mogged/google.com-vs-kagi.com

photonair 5mo ago

First time I come across mogging, but this looks like a automated evaluation version of a hot or not for websites.

ChrisArchitect 5mo ago

Not to be confused with morging https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47057829 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47057829

dgellow 5mo ago

[flagged]

davey2wavey 5mo ago

This was bound to be a thing. Good stuff lol

lyxal 5mo ago

Websitepilled comparisonmaxxing

tqi 5mo ago

Four(?) years ago this could have been a PhD thesis project

_345 5mo ago

this would work better if gemma 4 actually could tell what it was looking at

HeartStrings 5mo ago

"Sitemogs.com" would have rolled off the tongue better

LocalH 5mo ago

This is funny because to me "mogg" means the encrypted multichannel song audio format for Rock Band games

bheadrick 5mo ago

Love it. Hope the next reveal will be sitemaxxing.

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