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This is the text in Old English for anyone looking: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47296/caedmons-hymn-56d227a3b602f https://www.poetryfoundation.org/po

by rubzah 5mo ago

This is the text in Old English for anyone looking: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47296/caedmons-hymn-56d227a3b602f https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47296/caedmons-hymn-5... Actually, here is the full text with the modern English inserted: Nu scilun herga hefenricæs uard Now let us praise Heaven-Kingdom's guardian, metudæs mehti and his modgithanc the Maker's might and his mind's thoughts, uerc uuldurfadur sue he uundra gihuæs the work of the glory-father—of every wonder, eci dryctin or astelidæ. eternal Lord. He established a beginning. he ærist scop ældu barnum He first shaped for men's sons hefen to hrofæ halig sceppend Heaven as a roof, the holy Creator; tha middingard moncynnæs uard then middle-earth mankind's guardian, eci dryctin æfter tiadæ eternal Lord, afterwards prepared firum foldu frea allmehtig the earth for men, the Lord almighty.

pbhjpbhj 5mo ago
Oh, what? Is "eci" (eternal?) the origin of "Ecki Thump" - Yorkshire version of OMG?
- lproven 5mo ago
  And indeed the ancient and mysterious Lancashire martial art, of course. https://www.goodiesruleok.com/articles.php?id=17 https://www.goodiesruleok.com/articles.php?id=17
  - pfdietz 5mo ago
    Which has nothing on the secret Welsh art of self-defense, Llap Goch. https://www.llapgoch.org.uk/ https://www.llapgoch.org.uk/
- mock-possum 5mo ago
  Oh my god is that where Icky Thump comes from
ButlerianJihad 5mo ago
Public Domain audio: https://librivox.org/caedmons-hymn/ https://librivox.org/caedmons-hymn/ The text is read in the Early West Saxon dialect. Same version found here (incl. OGG Vorbis format): https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/19677 https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/19677 Nu scilun herga hefenricæs uard metudæs mehti and his modgithanc uerc uuldurfadur sue he uundra gihuæs eci dryctin or astelidæ. he ærist scop ældu barnum hefen to hrofæ halig sceppend tha middingard moncynnæs uard eci dryctin æfter tiadæ firum foldu frea allmehtig "Caedmon's Hymn"
rsolva 5mo ago
Knowing both Norwegian and Dutch, most words here is surprisingly similar to modern words: hefenricæs = himmelrikes (no) uerc = werk (nl) eci = evig (no) / eeuwig (nl) ærist = eerst (nl) barnum = barn (no) sceppend = schepper (nl) EDIT: Hearing the poem read also gives dutch / germanic vibes: https://gutenberg.org/files/19677/ogg/19677.ogg https://gutenberg.org/files/19677/ogg/19677.ogg
- rubzah 5mo ago
  thanc = tanke (thought) uuldurfadur = alfader (all-father) uundra = under (wonder) halig = hellig (holy)
  - xdennis 5mo ago
    It's a bit unconnected to all-father. My impression would be that uuldurfadur would be literally "world-father". But it actually means "glory-father"[1]. It's more commonly spelled wuldorfæder. (Also unrelated to the word "wundor" meaning wonder.) [1]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wuldorf%C3%A6der https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wuldorf%C3%A6der
- colechristensen 5mo ago
  If it weren't for the Norman invasion, English would probably still have the same levels of semi-mutual-intelligibility as the other Scandinavian languages.
  - fsckboy 5mo ago
    well, if the Normans had simply spoken Norse as one would expect Norsemen to do... I recently tried some light research (ok, i ddg'ed) recently on this topic as it wasn't that long between the Viking invasions and settling down in claimed territory, "how continuing-to-be-Norse were the Normans?" I was looking at a similar idea to another comment/statement here from a Scandinavian, "would the Normans have maintained enough knowledge of Norse language to have seen connections to Anglo Saxon/Olde Ænglish? (ok, i just wanted to use a ligature) I didn't find it easy to to find specifics in great detail, but interestingly in William the Conquerer's family tree, his great^n-grandparents and their cohort were frequently marrying French noble women for local connections and prestige, but also having children with their "soulmate" Norsewoman side piece, made more convenient because the Norse marriage practice was more akin to "common law marriage" anyway. I'm not reading or judging anything into this (what noble of any culture wouldn't pursue extramarital relations, hell the peasants do it too) except from variety of partners they were clearly maintaining connections to their heritage at least as Italian- or Irish-Americans frequently do in the current day.

by rubzah 5mo ago

pbhjpbhj 5mo ago

Oh, what? Is "eci" (eternal?) the origin of "Ecki Thump" - Yorkshire version of OMG?

lproven 5mo ago
And indeed the ancient and mysterious Lancashire martial art, of course. https://www.goodiesruleok.com/articles.php?id=17 https://www.goodiesruleok.com/articles.php?id=17
- pfdietz 5mo ago
  Which has nothing on the secret Welsh art of self-defense, Llap Goch. https://www.llapgoch.org.uk/ https://www.llapgoch.org.uk/
mock-possum 5mo ago
Oh my god is that where Icky Thump comes from

ButlerianJihad 5mo ago

Public Domain audio: https://librivox.org/caedmons-hymn/ https://librivox.org/caedmons-hymn/ The text is read in the Early West Saxon dialect. Same version found here (incl. OGG Vorbis format): https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/19677 https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/19677 Nu scilun herga hefenricæs uard metudæs mehti and his modgithanc uerc uuldurfadur sue he uundra gihuæs eci dryctin or astelidæ. he ærist scop ældu barnum hefen to hrofæ halig sceppend tha middingard moncynnæs uard eci dryctin æfter tiadæ firum foldu frea allmehtig "Caedmon's Hymn"

rsolva 5mo ago

Knowing both Norwegian and Dutch, most words here is surprisingly similar to modern words: hefenricæs = himmelrikes (no) uerc = werk (nl) eci = evig (no) / eeuwig (nl) ærist = eerst (nl) barnum = barn (no) sceppend = schepper (nl) EDIT: Hearing the poem read also gives dutch / germanic vibes: https://gutenberg.org/files/19677/ogg/19677.ogg https://gutenberg.org/files/19677/ogg/19677.ogg

rubzah 5mo ago
thanc = tanke (thought) uuldurfadur = alfader (all-father) uundra = under (wonder) halig = hellig (holy)
- xdennis 5mo ago
  It's a bit unconnected to all-father. My impression would be that uuldurfadur would be literally "world-father". But it actually means "glory-father"[1]. It's more commonly spelled wuldorfæder. (Also unrelated to the word "wundor" meaning wonder.) [1]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wuldorf%C3%A6der https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wuldorf%C3%A6der
colechristensen 5mo ago
If it weren't for the Norman invasion, English would probably still have the same levels of semi-mutual-intelligibility as the other Scandinavian languages.
- fsckboy 5mo ago
  well, if the Normans had simply spoken Norse as one would expect Norsemen to do... I recently tried some light research (ok, i ddg'ed) recently on this topic as it wasn't that long between the Viking invasions and settling down in claimed territory, "how continuing-to-be-Norse were the Normans?" I was looking at a similar idea to another comment/statement here from a Scandinavian, "would the Normans have maintained enough knowledge of Norse language to have seen connections to Anglo Saxon/Olde Ænglish? (ok, i just wanted to use a ligature) I didn't find it easy to to find specifics in great detail, but interestingly in William the Conquerer's family tree, his great^n-grandparents and their cohort were frequently marrying French noble women for local connections and prestige, but also having children with their "soulmate" Norsewoman side piece, made more convenient because the Norse marriage practice was more akin to "common law marriage" anyway. I'm not reading or judging anything into this (what noble of any culture wouldn't pursue extramarital relations, hell the peasants do it too) except from variety of partners they were clearly maintaining connections to their heritage at least as Italian- or Irish-Americans frequently do in the current day.