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> If you are looking to help Amatullah, the best that most of us can do is to avoid either platforming or making a spectacle of her. Don’t talk to her, don’t re

> If you are looking to help Amatullah, the best that most of us can do is to avoid either platforming or making a spectacle of her. Don’t talk to her, don’t repost her posts, and don’t gawk at her or discuss her actions publicly. I mean, I understand the thinking, but you're also publishing this, there is bound to be countless of speculation and discussions about it, given it isn't some insular small community, it's a relatively old project spanning the globe. I don't know what to make of it, what are we supposed to do? I guess instinctively, I want to hear what she thinks of this, her side of what's happening, whatever that may be.

DannyPage 6mo ago
I think the statement is more for folks who may have happened across her profiles or the website itself and would be rightly confused if they saw a big change. I've seen similar episodes with friends and it's extremely hard to get them out of it, if at all, for reasons noted in the post. I hope they get the help they need. Compare the tweets now versus the profile from a few years ago: https://x.com/tokipona https://x.com/tokipona vs https://web.archive.org/web/20220511012717/https://twitter.com/tokipona https://web.archive.org/web/20220511012717/https://twitter.c... Other links: https://tokipona.org/ https://tokipona.org/ https://bsky.app/profile/tokipona.org https://bsky.app/profile/tokipona.org
- 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
  Yep this is sad. Let's not post more of these things. I hope they get some help.
  - throwawayqqq11 6mo ago
    Unfortunately, the algos will pick up the impression spike on the profiles and soon, the culture war bullies will arrive.
- happytoexplain 6mo ago
  >seer, peer That is an amazingly good double entendre. Anyway, it says "@tokipona hasn’t posted" for me.
  - 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clanging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clanging
    - happytoexplain 6mo ago
      I never knew - it's always amazing/depressing how related brilliance and mental illness are.
      - johnea 6mo ago
        This was also the nature of my intended comment. There have been a number of studies that specifically linked advanced "artistic" personalities with increased risk of psychosis and other breaks from reality. One citation: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/artistic-creativity-and-risk-for-schizophrenia-bipolar-disorder-and-unipolar-depression-a-swedish-populationbased-casecontrol-study-and-sibpair-analysis/B3FFC439154C19A01F779365AF16B3C7 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-... I had never heard of Toki Pona, and I find the project amazing! The only other invented language I have heard of is esperanto. Which I have always been interested in, but never studied. My heart goes out to the author of this language, I hope they are able to find their way back. There is certainly a community that hopes to help and support them. This is much more than many distressed people have to hope for, and I hope they are able to find solace in that support.
      - 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
        The human mind is the most beautiful powerful and yet fragile thing. Without it's quirks humanity would have been robbed of so much. But the suffering can be very very painful. It's a beautiful ride we are all on, I know it's hackernews but remember to be nice to people! Ya just never know what someone is going through
2ndorderthought 6mo ago
I have no idea what is going on but my guess is this person is in a very rough state and they are genuinely trying to protect them. When someone is psychotic they can have lucid thoughts from time to time but putting them in the spotlight can bring out the worst. In school we had a young woman get on a roof and try to kill themselves not knowing that's what was even happening during I think it was an art class where they were pretty erratic but openly expressing themselves. Obviously it's not always that severe but a lot of things can be said and recorded that can really damage a person's public appearance. It's hard to imagine 30 some odd people trying to take something that was free from someone in a hostile way. Surely it's happened but my guess is this is a particularly sad story from mostly decent people
letmevoteplease 6mo ago
Judging by her Twitter, she has renamed herself "Major General Musk" (claiming to be the wife of Elon) and appointed herself as CEO of Discord and "Unicode" while claiming to be the first "Jewslim."

DannyPage 6mo ago

I think the statement is more for folks who may have happened across her profiles or the website itself and would be rightly confused if they saw a big change. I've seen similar episodes with friends and it's extremely hard to get them out of it, if at all, for reasons noted in the post. I hope they get the help they need. Compare the tweets now versus the profile from a few years ago: https://x.com/tokipona https://x.com/tokipona vs https://web.archive.org/web/20220511012717/https://twitter.com/tokipona https://web.archive.org/web/20220511012717/https://twitter.c... Other links: https://tokipona.org/ https://tokipona.org/ https://bsky.app/profile/tokipona.org https://bsky.app/profile/tokipona.org

2ndorderthought 6mo ago
Yep this is sad. Let's not post more of these things. I hope they get some help.
- throwawayqqq11 6mo ago
  Unfortunately, the algos will pick up the impression spike on the profiles and soon, the culture war bullies will arrive.
happytoexplain 6mo ago
>seer, peer That is an amazingly good double entendre. Anyway, it says "@tokipona hasn’t posted" for me.
- 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clanging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clanging
  - happytoexplain 6mo ago
    I never knew - it's always amazing/depressing how related brilliance and mental illness are.
    - johnea 6mo ago
      This was also the nature of my intended comment. There have been a number of studies that specifically linked advanced "artistic" personalities with increased risk of psychosis and other breaks from reality. One citation: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-of-psychiatry/article/artistic-creativity-and-risk-for-schizophrenia-bipolar-disorder-and-unipolar-depression-a-swedish-populationbased-casecontrol-study-and-sibpair-analysis/B3FFC439154C19A01F779365AF16B3C7 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-british-journal-... I had never heard of Toki Pona, and I find the project amazing! The only other invented language I have heard of is esperanto. Which I have always been interested in, but never studied. My heart goes out to the author of this language, I hope they are able to find their way back. There is certainly a community that hopes to help and support them. This is much more than many distressed people have to hope for, and I hope they are able to find solace in that support.
    - 2ndorderthought 6mo ago
      The human mind is the most beautiful powerful and yet fragile thing. Without it's quirks humanity would have been robbed of so much. But the suffering can be very very painful. It's a beautiful ride we are all on, I know it's hackernews but remember to be nice to people! Ya just never know what someone is going through

2ndorderthought 6mo ago

I have no idea what is going on but my guess is this person is in a very rough state and they are genuinely trying to protect them. When someone is psychotic they can have lucid thoughts from time to time but putting them in the spotlight can bring out the worst. In school we had a young woman get on a roof and try to kill themselves not knowing that's what was even happening during I think it was an art class where they were pretty erratic but openly expressing themselves. Obviously it's not always that severe but a lot of things can be said and recorded that can really damage a person's public appearance. It's hard to imagine 30 some odd people trying to take something that was free from someone in a hostile way. Surely it's happened but my guess is this is a particularly sad story from mostly decent people

letmevoteplease 6mo ago

Judging by her Twitter, she has renamed herself "Major General Musk" (claiming to be the wife of Elon) and appointed herself as CEO of Discord and "Unicode" while claiming to be the first "Jewslim."