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Presumably the Cloudflare network resources in question were not located in Spain and thus not under Spanish jurisduction. Or even if they were, it may be proce
by tshaddox 6mo ago
Presumably the Cloudflare network resources in question were not located in Spain and thus not under Spanish jurisduction. Or even if they were, it may be procedurally simpler for the Spanish government to compel ISPs to block IPs.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago> it may be procedurally simpler for the Spanish government to compel ISPs to block IPs. The Spanish government is not the ones enforcing the ban here. La Liga and Telefonica went to the judges, who are the ones making ISPs to enforce these blocks, as an intermediate "fix" essentially.
- tomnipotent 6mo ago> went to the judges Which are part of the Spanish government.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago> Which are part of the Spanish government. Judges in Spain are not part of the government ("Gobierno"). They are part of the Poder Judicial, the judiciary. The Spanish Constitution separates these clearly, give it a skim if you haven't already.
- tomnipotent 6mo agoThe judiciary is part of the government. Being an independent branch doesn't change that. Government doesn't just mean legislative.
- embedding-shape 6mo agoThat's not what the constitution says though. "Government" ("Gobierno") is what an American would understand "executive branch" to be, I'm guessing this is why it's confusing. I tried to make it easier by adding the translations, but maybe that's just making it more confusing :) I guess broadly in English you'd say the judges are part of the state, but they're not a part of the Spanish Government.
- amcvitty 6mo agoThat’s true in America, but the word government is applied more narrowly elsewhere, including in the UK.
- tomnipotent 6mo agoWhat matters is what the OP was communicating with it, and in English it means all state bodies responsible for administration. No one would argue the US Supreme Court is not part of the government.
- TRiG_Ireland 6mo agoNo. That's what it means in the USA. Judges are not part of the government in the UK, Ireland, Australia, or New Zealand either. They're part of the State.
- tomnipotent 6mo agoYou and others are confusing definition for meaning. An HN rule asks people to engage with the best interpretation of someones argument, in which case it's very clear what the OP was communicating by using "government" where you might use "state", and it's clear from responses that folks clearly know that but have decided to argue over pointless semantics that engage with the posters meaning. Not a single comment tried to engage with the comment with good intentions, so focused on "I gotcha!" vibes over unproductive pedantry. How pointless and petty.
- TRiG_Ireland 6mo agoNah. There was some genuine confusion. And then there were some Americans incorrectly asserting that their usage was an English language thing.
- embedding-shape 6mo agoI think I might be mainly responsible for the confusion, but not on purpose or with ill-intent, but literally "this word means differently for us here, who live in the country we're discussing", and I tried to make it easier to understand, but I think I made it worse. Nothing here been a "gotcha" but basically Spanish-speaking people using English to communicate Spanish concepts to Americans who also speak English but have different understanding of those concepts. Nothing malicious here, just some good old misunderstandings :)
- ahtihn 6mo agoThe judiciary is part of the state. The government is also part of the state. They are different parts.
- felixg3 6mo agoGovernment means precisely just the executive branch in international English across most polities with institutions.
- benhurmarcel 6mo agoIn many countries, the word “government” only refers to the executive branch
- SenHeng 6mo agoThe rest are often called civil servants.
- TheCoelacanth 6mo agoThis appears to be using "government" in American English sense, where "government" refers to anyone who works for the state in any capacity, including courts, not just the executive.
- tshaddox 6mo agoDo you have an English word you can recommend that refers to what (in American English) I call the entire government of a nation?
- leadingthenet 6mo agoThe state. “The government” (what we would call “the executive”) being equated to the state as a whole is a uniquely American concept, likely because the word “state” already has a different meaning in the federalist sense.