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Cloudflare are very much pushing back: https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/official-statement-in-relation-to-the-blocking-of-ips-during-the-recent-ea-sports-lalig

Cloudflare are very much pushing back: https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/official-statement-in-relation-to-the-blocking-of-ips-during-the-recent-ea-sports-laliga-matchdays-linked-to-illegal-cloudflare-practices https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/official-statement-in-rela...

echoangle 5mo ago
> Through this conduct, Cloudflare is actively enabling illegal activities such as human trafficking, prostitution, pornography, counterfeiting, fraud, and scams, among other things. Pornography is illegal in Spain now?
- phillipseamore 5mo ago
  hey, at least they've dropped terrorism and organized crime from the list of "if you support piracy you are really supporting..."
- otherme123 5mo ago
  Prostitution isn't illegal, is a-legal (the prostitutes register as waitress or similar). Pimping is illegal.
gnfargbl 5mo ago
That statement from La Liga is nothing short of embarrassing. Raving about child pornography, in a simple copyright infringement case? And the repeated focus on "IPs" is incredibly disingenuous; Cloudflare's multiplexing of half the internet onto a small number of IP addresses is not exactly a secret in the tech community. Why are Spain's courts allowing this injunction to stand? It's clearly being used to bring the court system itself into disrepute at this point.
- pas 5mo ago
  conservative (as in old school, football friendly) judges are not exactly new
booi 5mo ago
This statement really makes no sense.. > Google, Cloudflare, VPN providers, and other entities facilitating piracy are responsible for the illegal activities they enable and profit from. Why wouldn't ISPs be responsible too? or the cable modem providers? or the computer providers? or your eyes. Let's just blame all those things and not the person that made it or the person that consumes it.
- Symbiote 5mo ago
  Cloudflare are actively involved in publishing this content — they are equivalent to the hosting provider.
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  - otherme123 5mo ago
    Not true, they just proxy the pirating sites to their true host. They have about the same responsability as the ISP themselves. Maybe you want Cloudflare to decide what to proxy and what to block without a judge ordering it.
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    - 878654Tom 5mo ago
      Your ISP will route your packets and not obfuscate the original destination nor cache any content, provide Ddos protections, WAF,... Cloudflare does.
      - hrimfaxi 5mo ago
        > Your ISP will route your packets and not obfuscate the original destination nor cache any content, That's not true. ISPs modify returned content. https://lukerodgers.ca/2023/12/09/optimum-isp-is-mitming-its-customers/ https://lukerodgers.ca/2023/12/09/optimum-isp-is-mitming-its... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NebuAd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NebuAd
asveikau 5mo ago
From the link: > Cloudflare has facilitated by knowingly protecting criminal organisations for profit The propaganda is strong with these guys ...

echoangle 5mo ago

> Through this conduct, Cloudflare is actively enabling illegal activities such as human trafficking, prostitution, pornography, counterfeiting, fraud, and scams, among other things. Pornography is illegal in Spain now?

phillipseamore 5mo ago
hey, at least they've dropped terrorism and organized crime from the list of "if you support piracy you are really supporting..."
otherme123 5mo ago
Prostitution isn't illegal, is a-legal (the prostitutes register as waitress or similar). Pimping is illegal.

gnfargbl 5mo ago

That statement from La Liga is nothing short of embarrassing. Raving about child pornography, in a simple copyright infringement case? And the repeated focus on "IPs" is incredibly disingenuous; Cloudflare's multiplexing of half the internet onto a small number of IP addresses is not exactly a secret in the tech community. Why are Spain's courts allowing this injunction to stand? It's clearly being used to bring the court system itself into disrepute at this point.

pas 5mo ago
conservative (as in old school, football friendly) judges are not exactly new

booi 5mo ago

This statement really makes no sense.. > Google, Cloudflare, VPN providers, and other entities facilitating piracy are responsible for the illegal activities they enable and profit from. Why wouldn't ISPs be responsible too? or the cable modem providers? or the computer providers? or your eyes. Let's just blame all those things and not the person that made it or the person that consumes it.

Symbiote 5mo ago
Cloudflare are actively involved in publishing this content — they are equivalent to the hosting provider.
- deleted 5mo ago
  [deleted]
- otherme123 5mo ago
  Not true, they just proxy the pirating sites to their true host. They have about the same responsability as the ISP themselves. Maybe you want Cloudflare to decide what to proxy and what to block without a judge ordering it.
  - deleted 5mo ago
    [deleted]
  - 878654Tom 5mo ago
    Your ISP will route your packets and not obfuscate the original destination nor cache any content, provide Ddos protections, WAF,... Cloudflare does.
    - hrimfaxi 5mo ago
      > Your ISP will route your packets and not obfuscate the original destination nor cache any content, That's not true. ISPs modify returned content. https://lukerodgers.ca/2023/12/09/optimum-isp-is-mitming-its-customers/ https://lukerodgers.ca/2023/12/09/optimum-isp-is-mitming-its... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NebuAd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NebuAd

asveikau 5mo ago

From the link: > Cloudflare has facilitated by knowingly protecting criminal organisations for profit The propaganda is strong with these guys ...