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Maybe someone can explain, but I don't understand why such an order isn't applied to cloudflare themselves?
by pjc50 6mo ago
Maybe someone can explain, but I don't understand why such an order isn't applied to cloudflare themselves?
- halJordan 6mo agoThe state hasn't setup processes to enable that. It will happen
- tshaddox 6mo agoPresumably the Cloudflare network resources in question were not located in Spain and thus not under Spanish jurisduction. Or even if they were, it may be procedurally simpler for the Spanish government to compel ISPs to block IPs.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago> it may be procedurally simpler for the Spanish government to compel ISPs to block IPs. The Spanish government is not the ones enforcing the ban here. La Liga and Telefonica went to the judges, who are the ones making ISPs to enforce these blocks, as an intermediate "fix" essentially.
- tomnipotent 6mo ago> went to the judges Which are part of the Spanish government.
- embedding-shape 6mo ago> Which are part of the Spanish government. Judges in Spain are not part of the government ("Gobierno"). They are part of the Poder Judicial, the judiciary. The Spanish Constitution separates these clearly, give it a skim if you haven't already.
- tomnipotent 6mo agoThe judiciary is part of the government. Being an independent branch doesn't change that. Government doesn't just mean legislative.
- embedding-shape 6mo agoThat's not what the constitution says though. "Government" ("Gobierno") is what an American would understand "executive branch" to be, I'm guessing this is why it's confusing. I tried to make it easier by adding the translations, but maybe that's just making it more confusing :) I guess broadly in English you'd say the judges are part of the state, but they're not a part of the Spanish Government.
- amcvitty 6mo agoThat’s true in America, but the word government is applied more narrowly elsewhere, including in the UK.
- tomnipotent 6mo agoWhat matters is what the OP was communicating with it, and in English it means all state bodies responsible for administration. No one would argue the US Supreme Court is not part of the government.
- benhurmarcel 6mo agoIn many countries, the word “government” only refers to the executive branch
- SenHeng 6mo agoThe rest are often called civil servants.
- TheCoelacanth 6mo agoThis appears to be using "government" in American English sense, where "government" refers to anyone who works for the state in any capacity, including courts, not just the executive.
- tshaddox 6mo agoDo you have an English word you can recommend that refers to what (in American English) I call the entire government of a nation?
- leadingthenet 6mo agoThe state. “The government” (what we would call “the executive”) being equated to the state as a whole is a uniquely American concept, likely because the word “state” already has a different meaning in the federalist sense.
- martin8412 6mo agoIt was. La Liga isn’t satisfied with the response time of Cloudflare. Cloudflare would not commit to content being taken down during while the match is still going. La Liga wants to be able to point to a URL hosted by Cloudflare and demand it taken down that instant while the match is still on. It would require dedicated staff at Cloudflare to deal with La Liga stream takedowns.
- dbbk 6mo agoCloudflare said they created a dedicated hotline for LaLiga, and apparently it wasn't enough for them
- pavon 6mo agoMore so, La Liga wants Cloudflare to take it down for the entire world, not just block it from Spanish IPs, regardless of whether the host resides in Spain. Cloudflare has refused to do so.
- AtNightWeCode 6mo agoCF would pretty much need to monitor this live in that case which is impossible. The pirates sometimes even create new domains for specific games. This is a risk with shared IP addresses. I sold CF to many customers and I would say the risk in general is minimal. At least outside Spain. But people should stop whining and use a better service if needed.
- petcat 6mo ago> But people should stop whining and use a better service if needed. A better service that the Spanish government will also block? Cloudflare is not the bad actor here. The Spanish government is.