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I'm interested in how those conversations went between the LaLiga and Cloudflare that convinced them to do this. I know I'm not Cloudflare, but if a company (an

I'm interested in how those conversations went between the LaLiga and Cloudflare that convinced them to do this. I know I'm not Cloudflare, but if a company (any company) came to me demanding blocking IP ranges according the their schedule that would require a bunch of work on my end to make it happen, there's going to be a lot of push back. It'd take a dump truck load of money to make that happen.

xp84 6mo ago
I thought the government just forced their ISPs to block. Was CF involved at all?
dghlsakjg 6mo ago
It wasn’t a conversation. It was a court order.
pjc50 6mo ago
Cloudflare are apparently not involved. It's an order against local ISPs to block Cloudflare.
kelnos 6mo ago
That's not how this worked. Cloudflare was not involved at all. Spanish ISPs were ordered by Spanish courts to block their customers from accessing specific IP addresses.
clort 6mo ago
No conversation at all needed to happen. LaLiga got a court order. The order specifically stated that if LaLiga flag your IP address, the internet providers in Spain must block it during the match. Cloudflare have nothing to do with it. Who could have forseen, that LaLiga would end up abusing this system!?
matteason 6mo ago
Cloudflare are very much pushing back: https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/official-statement-in-relation-to-the-blocking-of-ips-during-the-recent-ea-sports-laliga-matchdays-linked-to-illegal-cloudflare-practices https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/official-statement-in-rela...
- echoangle 6mo ago
  > Through this conduct, Cloudflare is actively enabling illegal activities such as human trafficking, prostitution, pornography, counterfeiting, fraud, and scams, among other things. Pornography is illegal in Spain now?
  - phillipseamore 6mo ago
    hey, at least they've dropped terrorism and organized crime from the list of "if you support piracy you are really supporting..."
  - otherme123 6mo ago
    Prostitution isn't illegal, is a-legal (the prostitutes register as waitress or similar). Pimping is illegal.
- gnfargbl 6mo ago
  That statement from La Liga is nothing short of embarrassing. Raving about child pornography, in a simple copyright infringement case? And the repeated focus on "IPs" is incredibly disingenuous; Cloudflare's multiplexing of half the internet onto a small number of IP addresses is not exactly a secret in the tech community. Why are Spain's courts allowing this injunction to stand? It's clearly being used to bring the court system itself into disrepute at this point.
  - pas 6mo ago
    conservative (as in old school, football friendly) judges are not exactly new
- booi 6mo ago
  This statement really makes no sense.. > Google, Cloudflare, VPN providers, and other entities facilitating piracy are responsible for the illegal activities they enable and profit from. Why wouldn't ISPs be responsible too? or the cable modem providers? or the computer providers? or your eyes. Let's just blame all those things and not the person that made it or the person that consumes it.

xp84 6mo ago

I thought the government just forced their ISPs to block. Was CF involved at all?

dghlsakjg 6mo ago

It wasn’t a conversation. It was a court order.

pjc50 6mo ago

Cloudflare are apparently not involved. It's an order against local ISPs to block Cloudflare.

kelnos 6mo ago

That's not how this worked. Cloudflare was not involved at all. Spanish ISPs were ordered by Spanish courts to block their customers from accessing specific IP addresses.

clort 6mo ago

No conversation at all needed to happen. LaLiga got a court order. The order specifically stated that if LaLiga flag your IP address, the internet providers in Spain must block it during the match. Cloudflare have nothing to do with it. Who could have forseen, that LaLiga would end up abusing this system!?

matteason 6mo ago

Cloudflare are very much pushing back: https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/official-statement-in-relation-to-the-blocking-of-ips-during-the-recent-ea-sports-laliga-matchdays-linked-to-illegal-cloudflare-practices https://www.laliga.com/en-GB/news/official-statement-in-rela...

echoangle 6mo ago
> Through this conduct, Cloudflare is actively enabling illegal activities such as human trafficking, prostitution, pornography, counterfeiting, fraud, and scams, among other things. Pornography is illegal in Spain now?
- phillipseamore 6mo ago
  hey, at least they've dropped terrorism and organized crime from the list of "if you support piracy you are really supporting..."
- otherme123 6mo ago
  Prostitution isn't illegal, is a-legal (the prostitutes register as waitress or similar). Pimping is illegal.
gnfargbl 6mo ago
That statement from La Liga is nothing short of embarrassing. Raving about child pornography, in a simple copyright infringement case? And the repeated focus on "IPs" is incredibly disingenuous; Cloudflare's multiplexing of half the internet onto a small number of IP addresses is not exactly a secret in the tech community. Why are Spain's courts allowing this injunction to stand? It's clearly being used to bring the court system itself into disrepute at this point.
- pas 6mo ago
  conservative (as in old school, football friendly) judges are not exactly new
booi 6mo ago
This statement really makes no sense.. > Google, Cloudflare, VPN providers, and other entities facilitating piracy are responsible for the illegal activities they enable and profit from. Why wouldn't ISPs be responsible too? or the cable modem providers? or the computer providers? or your eyes. Let's just blame all those things and not the person that made it or the person that consumes it.