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> This is the most important point, I thought Google people are smart enough to see it. Google just points towards the money like other bacterium and beats its

> This is the most important point, I thought Google people are smart enough to see it. Google just points towards the money like other bacterium and beats its flagella until it gets there. I don't know why or how anyone would EVER think Google is going to do something good for the web or humanity.

john_strinlai 6mo ago
>I don't know why or how anyone would EVER think Google is going to do something good for the web or humanity. i dislike google as much as the next guy, but sometimes it can be good to remember that actual humans work at google. some of them want to improve things for people. some of them even have a conscience. one immediate "good" that comes to mind, from google, is the project zero team.
- kevinwang 6mo ago
  You probably meant "conscience" instead of "conscious"
  - john_strinlai 6mo ago
    i sure did. thanks.
- xingped 6mo ago
  Sure actual humans work at Google. These actual humans are actively choosing to continue doing a job that makes the web worse. I don't see how "but they're human!" means automatic forgiveness of their actions.
  - john_strinlai 6mo ago
    >I don't see how "but they're human!" means automatic forgiveness of their actions. it doesnt, if the actions are bad. but if your blind hatred makes you think that google will not "EVER" produce something of value to the web or humanity, then you are just being obtuse. i have already provided one example of something good that is directly attributable to google. there are several more examples, i am sure.
    - xingped 6mo ago
      I'm not the other guy you think I am. I didn't say that. But congrats on finding the one teensy tiny good thing Google has done. I'm sure that exonerates the other 99%. I mean, it's not like they scrapped "don't be evil" as a guiding principle or anything. Oh wait...
- eocjeockoefj 6mo ago
  It doesn’t really matter what the people working there want. It matters what the higher ups say, as they control the cash flow and consequently where resources are spent. And, surprise surprise, the higher ups are generally the ones fucking things up because they also need to see those numbers and lines go up, regardless of actual impact on people’s lives. So yeah, there surely are good people working for Google, but Google itself is not a person nor is it a “good” company. It is evil, end of. And, unfortunately, when you work for Satan, you don’t get to go around doing charity work.
  - anthonyrstevens 6mo ago
    So is it reasonable and helpful to see the same comments over and over again any time Google/Microsoft/OpenAI/Meta is mentioned in a comment - "X is bad, money drives all their decisions, they are anti-user, etc. etc." or should we actually expect to see relevant comments discussing the topic at hand? It's inane and annoying to have to wade through the same, predictable, might-as-well-be-copy-and-paste comments on every post. What do you have to say about the Prompt API specifically?
    - doublerabbit 6mo ago
      Nothing myself, a great innovation but with wet teagbags google/microsoft/apple et cetera running the show. How is Digital ID going?
    - eikenberry 6mo ago
      This same point should have been made to the grandparent as well... claiming some good people are working inside the system at a bad company is also a tired trope.
      - deleted 6mo ago
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  - beepbooptheory 6mo ago
    Seems like the only thing rational to do then is for the human beings working there to use their labor as leverage.
- pessimizer 6mo ago
  Maybe it's also helpful to point out that all evil is done by actual humans, and that google will actually fire humans who don't do what google wants them to do.
  - doublerabbit 6mo ago
    Working for Enterprise 101: you are a pawn. Unless it's for the company, your just a engineer for their machine.
- MisterTea 6mo ago
  [flagged]
  - john_strinlai 6mo ago
    i thought my point was pretty clear. google can (and has) done good things for the web and humanity. there are people working there that actively try to do things that are a net positive to society. they do a lot of shit, too. and i have no qualms with calling that out. but categorical statements of google being incapable of anything good, at all, ever, are not well thought out positions. only people who have let their hatred blind them to reality would believe that in earnest. comparing google to auschwitz is ridiculously insulting and insensitive to the families who suffered there.
    - doublerabbit 6mo ago
      Double edged sword. They have & they've have not. They've fueling technology for war, yet they've enabled us to communicate further and wider than before. The "don't be evil" & "good things" end up tainted; or thrown to the graveyard. You can't apply those morals to a corporation like Google. Anything that had an positive effect to the internet ended up in the graveyard years ago. Maybe in the early years, yes they expanded the capabilities of the internet, but in recent years? nah. It's all about the money.
      - john_strinlai 6mo ago
        >"Anything that had an positive effect to the internet ended up in the graveyard years ago." the example in my first comment, project zero, is still active today.
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        drdeca 6mo ago
        I think the issue might be that some people don’t actually mean “every” when they say “every”, and don’t recognize when they are speaking hyperbolically? Or, something like that?
- b00ty4breakfast 6mo ago
  That some trees in a mudslide veer to the left does not mean that your house isn't going to be plowed down the hillside. The momentum of the mass-entity that is Google simply cannot be overridden by some outliers trying to change direction.
dismalaf 6mo ago
The sheer amount of OSS projects that have come out of Google would suggest otherwise... Stuff like Go, Bazel, Ninja, V8, Dart, MLIR, Tensorflow, Chromium, Android, and countless others I can't remember off the top, plus their contributions to Linux, LLVM, Python, and so on... I can't think of any company that has given as much sheer volume of open source code as Google.

john_strinlai 6mo ago

>I don't know why or how anyone would EVER think Google is going to do something good for the web or humanity. i dislike google as much as the next guy, but sometimes it can be good to remember that actual humans work at google. some of them want to improve things for people. some of them even have a conscience. one immediate "good" that comes to mind, from google, is the project zero team.

kevinwang 6mo ago
You probably meant "conscience" instead of "conscious"
- john_strinlai 6mo ago
  i sure did. thanks.
xingped 6mo ago
Sure actual humans work at Google. These actual humans are actively choosing to continue doing a job that makes the web worse. I don't see how "but they're human!" means automatic forgiveness of their actions.
- john_strinlai 6mo ago
  >I don't see how "but they're human!" means automatic forgiveness of their actions. it doesnt, if the actions are bad. but if your blind hatred makes you think that google will not "EVER" produce something of value to the web or humanity, then you are just being obtuse. i have already provided one example of something good that is directly attributable to google. there are several more examples, i am sure.
  - xingped 6mo ago
    I'm not the other guy you think I am. I didn't say that. But congrats on finding the one teensy tiny good thing Google has done. I'm sure that exonerates the other 99%. I mean, it's not like they scrapped "don't be evil" as a guiding principle or anything. Oh wait...
eocjeockoefj 6mo ago
It doesn’t really matter what the people working there want. It matters what the higher ups say, as they control the cash flow and consequently where resources are spent. And, surprise surprise, the higher ups are generally the ones fucking things up because they also need to see those numbers and lines go up, regardless of actual impact on people’s lives. So yeah, there surely are good people working for Google, but Google itself is not a person nor is it a “good” company. It is evil, end of. And, unfortunately, when you work for Satan, you don’t get to go around doing charity work.
- anthonyrstevens 6mo ago
  So is it reasonable and helpful to see the same comments over and over again any time Google/Microsoft/OpenAI/Meta is mentioned in a comment - "X is bad, money drives all their decisions, they are anti-user, etc. etc." or should we actually expect to see relevant comments discussing the topic at hand? It's inane and annoying to have to wade through the same, predictable, might-as-well-be-copy-and-paste comments on every post. What do you have to say about the Prompt API specifically?
  - doublerabbit 6mo ago
    Nothing myself, a great innovation but with wet teagbags google/microsoft/apple et cetera running the show. How is Digital ID going?
  - eikenberry 6mo ago
    This same point should have been made to the grandparent as well... claiming some good people are working inside the system at a bad company is also a tired trope.
    - deleted 6mo ago
      [deleted]
- beepbooptheory 6mo ago
  Seems like the only thing rational to do then is for the human beings working there to use their labor as leverage.
pessimizer 6mo ago
Maybe it's also helpful to point out that all evil is done by actual humans, and that google will actually fire humans who don't do what google wants them to do.
- doublerabbit 6mo ago
  Working for Enterprise 101: you are a pawn. Unless it's for the company, your just a engineer for their machine.
MisterTea 6mo ago
[flagged]
- john_strinlai 6mo ago
  i thought my point was pretty clear. google can (and has) done good things for the web and humanity. there are people working there that actively try to do things that are a net positive to society. they do a lot of shit, too. and i have no qualms with calling that out. but categorical statements of google being incapable of anything good, at all, ever, are not well thought out positions. only people who have let their hatred blind them to reality would believe that in earnest. comparing google to auschwitz is ridiculously insulting and insensitive to the families who suffered there.
  - doublerabbit 6mo ago
    Double edged sword. They have & they've have not. They've fueling technology for war, yet they've enabled us to communicate further and wider than before. The "don't be evil" & "good things" end up tainted; or thrown to the graveyard. You can't apply those morals to a corporation like Google. Anything that had an positive effect to the internet ended up in the graveyard years ago. Maybe in the early years, yes they expanded the capabilities of the internet, but in recent years? nah. It's all about the money.
    - john_strinlai 6mo ago
      >"Anything that had an positive effect to the internet ended up in the graveyard years ago." the example in my first comment, project zero, is still active today.
      - deleted 6mo ago
        [deleted]
      - drdeca 6mo ago
        I think the issue might be that some people don’t actually mean “every” when they say “every”, and don’t recognize when they are speaking hyperbolically? Or, something like that?
b00ty4breakfast 6mo ago
That some trees in a mudslide veer to the left does not mean that your house isn't going to be plowed down the hillside. The momentum of the mass-entity that is Google simply cannot be overridden by some outliers trying to change direction.

dismalaf 6mo ago

The sheer amount of OSS projects that have come out of Google would suggest otherwise... Stuff like Go, Bazel, Ninja, V8, Dart, MLIR, Tensorflow, Chromium, Android, and countless others I can't remember off the top, plus their contributions to Linux, LLVM, Python, and so on... I can't think of any company that has given as much sheer volume of open source code as Google.