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Is this an honest argument? Surely you can think of how glasses might be ... in a different league than the two items you mention?

db48x 6mo ago
Not meaningfully. Anyone holding a smartphone might be recording you. You’d better avoid them if you don’t want to be recorded.
- azan_ 6mo ago
  Someone has to hold smartphone and point it at you.
- bredren 6mo ago
  This line makes a valid point. People record strangers all the time. In an obvious way or trying to be sneaky. Just because you don’t notice it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. However, this is still a different thing than smart glasses which can further be segmented into who designed the smart glasses.
- NBJack 6mo ago
  Most people don't run around holding out their smartphone directly in front of them. It has to be pointed at the subject, and tends to be obvious. Smart glasses, however, are always aimed at whatever the wearer is looking at. They may or may not be recording (note the reports of people hiding the LED indicators), and at a fair distance could easily be mistaken for a normal pair. The general populace is much more likely to notice the former recording rather than the latter.
  - recursive 6mo ago
    I've seen people keep their phone in their shirt pocket. The only reason it tends to be obvious is that most people aren't trying to be covert. Those aren't the ones you should be worried about.
  - db48x 6mo ago
    Don’t forget that audio recording is a thing. The camera doesn’t have to be pointed at you to violate your privacy. Plus I bet you walk past 90% (or more) of all cameras without ever noticing them. You only notice someone’s glasses because they are novel, not because they are more likely to record you.
- iamnothere 6mo ago
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arowthway 6mo ago
Because person wearing glasses usually can move and video surveillance cameras usually can't? If that's not it then spell it out for me, please. Also, why would i be deceptive in this discussion? I feel like I missed some ideological conflict.
- intended 6mo ago
  Imagine someone pulling up a smartphone and then recording everything that happens around them. Contrast that with someone wearing smart glasses and doing that exact same thing. On a separate note, (and this is a genuine question) are you by any chance aware the term Non-consensual intimate imagery / NCII? I am beginning to suspect that the average HN goer isn’t aware of the scope and scale of the Trust and Safety problem.
  - throwmeaway888 6mo ago
    Have you heard the term non consensual intimate fantasies? I've heard it's an even bigger problem.
    - intended 6mo ago
      Well, you would fortunately be wrong. Fantasies are commonplace and well studied in society, psychology and even in the law. The issue is when you go from fantasy to actually enacting it, which is usually when you earn the epithet of “Creep”. Also, why make a throwaway for this line? I take it you haven’t heard of NCII?
  - salawat 6mo ago
    They don't care. Or they refuse to realize that tech isn't the solution to it, but an amplifier of it's scale. Can tell you that my urge to take photos/record drastically dips around other people. Particularly if it were meant for any sort of commercial exploitation. Stephenson called people wired for max indiscriminate data collection/processing "gargoyles". Personally I prefer glassholes. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-borg-of-the-gargoyles https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-borg-of...
yreg 6mo ago
Unless you are using these during sex I consider a microphone to be 10x more privacy intruding than a camera. Security cameras afaik usually don't record audio, but all phones can. And they don't even need to be pointed in any specific direction.
- zdp7 6mo ago
  Many security cameras have the ability to record audio. Depending on where you are, it might be illegal to use it. All the cams I have purchased have it. That would include ReoLink and a recommended model from the Frigate site.

db48x 6mo ago

Not meaningfully. Anyone holding a smartphone might be recording you. You’d better avoid them if you don’t want to be recorded.

azan_ 6mo ago
Someone has to hold smartphone and point it at you.
bredren 6mo ago
This line makes a valid point. People record strangers all the time. In an obvious way or trying to be sneaky. Just because you don’t notice it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. However, this is still a different thing than smart glasses which can further be segmented into who designed the smart glasses.
NBJack 6mo ago
Most people don't run around holding out their smartphone directly in front of them. It has to be pointed at the subject, and tends to be obvious. Smart glasses, however, are always aimed at whatever the wearer is looking at. They may or may not be recording (note the reports of people hiding the LED indicators), and at a fair distance could easily be mistaken for a normal pair. The general populace is much more likely to notice the former recording rather than the latter.
- recursive 6mo ago
  I've seen people keep their phone in their shirt pocket. The only reason it tends to be obvious is that most people aren't trying to be covert. Those aren't the ones you should be worried about.
- db48x 6mo ago
  Don’t forget that audio recording is a thing. The camera doesn’t have to be pointed at you to violate your privacy. Plus I bet you walk past 90% (or more) of all cameras without ever noticing them. You only notice someone’s glasses because they are novel, not because they are more likely to record you.
iamnothere 6mo ago
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arowthway 6mo ago

Because person wearing glasses usually can move and video surveillance cameras usually can't? If that's not it then spell it out for me, please. Also, why would i be deceptive in this discussion? I feel like I missed some ideological conflict.

intended 6mo ago
Imagine someone pulling up a smartphone and then recording everything that happens around them. Contrast that with someone wearing smart glasses and doing that exact same thing. On a separate note, (and this is a genuine question) are you by any chance aware the term Non-consensual intimate imagery / NCII? I am beginning to suspect that the average HN goer isn’t aware of the scope and scale of the Trust and Safety problem.
- throwmeaway888 6mo ago
  Have you heard the term non consensual intimate fantasies? I've heard it's an even bigger problem.
  - intended 6mo ago
    Well, you would fortunately be wrong. Fantasies are commonplace and well studied in society, psychology and even in the law. The issue is when you go from fantasy to actually enacting it, which is usually when you earn the epithet of “Creep”. Also, why make a throwaway for this line? I take it you haven’t heard of NCII?
- salawat 6mo ago
  They don't care. Or they refuse to realize that tech isn't the solution to it, but an amplifier of it's scale. Can tell you that my urge to take photos/record drastically dips around other people. Particularly if it were meant for any sort of commercial exploitation. Stephenson called people wired for max indiscriminate data collection/processing "gargoyles". Personally I prefer glassholes. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-borg-of-the-gargoyles https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-borg-of...

yreg 6mo ago

Unless you are using these during sex I consider a microphone to be 10x more privacy intruding than a camera. Security cameras afaik usually don't record audio, but all phones can. And they don't even need to be pointed in any specific direction.

zdp7 6mo ago
Many security cameras have the ability to record audio. Depending on where you are, it might be illegal to use it. All the cams I have purchased have it. That would include ReoLink and a recommended model from the Frigate site.