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Almost all of these are 1st or 2nd gen European diaspora, or the spouses of such people, who 1. still have financial ties to the European country from which the

Almost all of these are 1st or 2nd gen European diaspora, or the spouses of such people, who 1. still have financial ties to the European country from which they originate through inheritance of assets from their parents/grandparents 2. have citizenship through descent. The amount of "unaffiliated" Americans who move to Europe is probably negligible.

sebastiennight 6mo ago
Wouldn't this (unsubstantiated claim, but let's play along) be more troubling though? It would be one thing if people who are "unaffiliated USA citizens[0]" moved to an imaginary place where the grass is greener. You could argue they don't know about all the problems of that place. It's maybe more concerning if the people who flew Place A, because of all the problems of Place A, looking for greener grass in Country B, are looking around and going "hey you know what? Place A wasn't so bad after all. The grass only looked greener because it's plastic!" and then go back. [0]: let's acknowledge we're just talking shades of the same color, when referring to a country that's 250 years old. Nobody's "from there" really
- rbanffy 6mo ago
  Doing research prior to moving is extremely important. At the time I moved to Ireland, I learned a vicious gang war was happening in the northern regions of Dublin. Up to April 2016, when I arrived, four (four!) people had been murdered in that unprecedented violent event.
- rbanffy 6mo ago
  > Nobody's "from there" really I once had a Native American on one of my teams. That, and a lot of my fellow Brazilians here are at least partly of the original people. Which came from Asia, through an ice bridge between Asia and North America a couple ice ages back, so, in the end, I guess we are all Africans.
crote 6mo ago
You'd be surprised. I personally know plenty of American LGBT+ people who are at least considering moving to the EU, simply because recent political developments has made the US an increasingly-unsafe country for them to live in.
hellcow 6mo ago
My family has been in America for... I dunno, 8 generations? A long time. I'm moving. I don't have any connection to Europe. I just don't want to live under America's increasing fascism and would rather contribute to a just society.

sebastiennight 6mo ago

Wouldn't this (unsubstantiated claim, but let's play along) be more troubling though? It would be one thing if people who are "unaffiliated USA citizens[0]" moved to an imaginary place where the grass is greener. You could argue they don't know about all the problems of that place. It's maybe more concerning if the people who flew Place A, because of all the problems of Place A, looking for greener grass in Country B, are looking around and going "hey you know what? Place A wasn't so bad after all. The grass only looked greener because it's plastic!" and then go back. [0]: let's acknowledge we're just talking shades of the same color, when referring to a country that's 250 years old. Nobody's "from there" really

rbanffy 6mo ago
Doing research prior to moving is extremely important. At the time I moved to Ireland, I learned a vicious gang war was happening in the northern regions of Dublin. Up to April 2016, when I arrived, four (four!) people had been murdered in that unprecedented violent event.
rbanffy 6mo ago
> Nobody's "from there" really I once had a Native American on one of my teams. That, and a lot of my fellow Brazilians here are at least partly of the original people. Which came from Asia, through an ice bridge between Asia and North America a couple ice ages back, so, in the end, I guess we are all Africans.

crote 6mo ago

You'd be surprised. I personally know plenty of American LGBT+ people who are at least considering moving to the EU, simply because recent political developments has made the US an increasingly-unsafe country for them to live in.

hellcow 6mo ago

My family has been in America for... I dunno, 8 generations? A long time. I'm moving. I don't have any connection to Europe. I just don't want to live under America's increasing fascism and would rather contribute to a just society.