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If you run your writing through an LLM, it can poke holes in your argument, organize your ideas better, or point out that your tone is hostile/dismissive. It do

If you run your writing through an LLM, it can poke holes in your argument, organize your ideas better, or point out that your tone is hostile/dismissive. It doesn’t need to be a replacement for writing or thinking, especially if you’re learning along the way.

3form 6mo ago
All of which are parts of the writing and thinking skillset, no?
- vehemenz 6mo ago
  Right. It can enhance that skillset. Are you suggesting it can’t? This wouldn’t be a plausible position.
  - 3form 6mo ago
    Rather that avoiding delegating it to LLM for these tasks helps you practice that skill. That said, I think it depends how you use it. You can learn from explanations, and you'd better avoid "rewrite this for me and do nothing else" kind of approach.
    - vehemenz 6mo ago
      Right, but the LLM can help you practice the skill too. Without the LLM, you're in a self-guided, autodidactical mode. Obviously, that can have its own advantages, but most people—but especially novices—aren't in a position to assess their skill level or their progress. The average person isn't going to magically get better at thinking or writing without formal training, or at least some direction.
aniou 6mo ago
So - in that way - LLM will be Your mentor, it will shape Your way of thinking according to algorithms and datasets stuffed into by corporate creators. Do You really want it? There is also a second face of that: people are lazy. They wouldn't develop their own skills but rather they would off-load tasks to LLM-s, so their communicative abilities will be fade away. That's looks like a strong dystopia for me.
- vehemenz 6mo ago
  > LLM will be Your mentor, it will shape Your way of thinking according to algorithms and datasets stuffed into by corporate creators. How is this mutually exclusive with teaching better than most humans? Part of these "corporate" datasets include deep knowledge of the world's best literature and philosophy, for instance. Why can't it be both? > Do You really want it? If I'm in a hurry, don't know where to start, or don't have money for someone to teach me—sure. > There is also a second face of that: people are lazy. They wouldn't develop their own skills but rather they would off-load tasks to LLM-s, so their communicative abilities will be fade away. This is a recapitulation of the Luddite argument during the Industrial Revolution. And it's valid, but it has consequences for all technological change, not just this one. There was a world before Google, the Web, the Internet, personal computing, and computers. The same argument applies across the board, and the pre-AI / post-AI cutoff looks arbitrary.
  - svieira 6mo ago
    > teaching better than most humans Ah, so now we get to the "ed tech" question. What is teaching? Is there a human element to it, and if so, what is it? Or is it something completely inhuman? Or do we need to clarify what meaning of "teaching" we're talking about before we have a discussion?
  - patrickmay 6mo ago
    > Part of these "corporate" datasets include deep knowledge of the world's best literature and philosophy Part of those datasets also include 4chan.
  - aniou 6mo ago
    [flagged]

3form 6mo ago

All of which are parts of the writing and thinking skillset, no?

vehemenz 6mo ago
Right. It can enhance that skillset. Are you suggesting it can’t? This wouldn’t be a plausible position.
- 3form 6mo ago
  Rather that avoiding delegating it to LLM for these tasks helps you practice that skill. That said, I think it depends how you use it. You can learn from explanations, and you'd better avoid "rewrite this for me and do nothing else" kind of approach.
  - vehemenz 6mo ago
    Right, but the LLM can help you practice the skill too. Without the LLM, you're in a self-guided, autodidactical mode. Obviously, that can have its own advantages, but most people—but especially novices—aren't in a position to assess their skill level or their progress. The average person isn't going to magically get better at thinking or writing without formal training, or at least some direction.

aniou 6mo ago

So - in that way - LLM will be Your mentor, it will shape Your way of thinking according to algorithms and datasets stuffed into by corporate creators. Do You really want it? There is also a second face of that: people are lazy. They wouldn't develop their own skills but rather they would off-load tasks to LLM-s, so their communicative abilities will be fade away. That's looks like a strong dystopia for me.

vehemenz 6mo ago
> LLM will be Your mentor, it will shape Your way of thinking according to algorithms and datasets stuffed into by corporate creators. How is this mutually exclusive with teaching better than most humans? Part of these "corporate" datasets include deep knowledge of the world's best literature and philosophy, for instance. Why can't it be both? > Do You really want it? If I'm in a hurry, don't know where to start, or don't have money for someone to teach me—sure. > There is also a second face of that: people are lazy. They wouldn't develop their own skills but rather they would off-load tasks to LLM-s, so their communicative abilities will be fade away. This is a recapitulation of the Luddite argument during the Industrial Revolution. And it's valid, but it has consequences for all technological change, not just this one. There was a world before Google, the Web, the Internet, personal computing, and computers. The same argument applies across the board, and the pre-AI / post-AI cutoff looks arbitrary.
- svieira 6mo ago
  > teaching better than most humans Ah, so now we get to the "ed tech" question. What is teaching? Is there a human element to it, and if so, what is it? Or is it something completely inhuman? Or do we need to clarify what meaning of "teaching" we're talking about before we have a discussion?
- patrickmay 6mo ago
  > Part of these "corporate" datasets include deep knowledge of the world's best literature and philosophy Part of those datasets also include 4chan.
- aniou 6mo ago
  [flagged]