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This is exactly what small claims court is for. Small claims court is exempt from arbitration requirements (which are primarily aimed at avoiding class action
by CamperBob2 6mo ago
This is exactly what small claims court is for.
Small claims court is exempt from arbitration requirements (which are primarily aimed at avoiding class action suits). It doesn't require you to hire a lawyer, and probably won't get your account automatically nuked the way a credit-card chargeback would.
- bombcar 6mo agoIf you file pro se and even if you've agreed to ten thousand arbitration clauses, they'll at least have to spend $200 on a lawyer to respond. So, you can waste as much of their money as they wasted of yours.
- Iolaum 6mo ago$200 for you is not the same as $200 for them
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- lynndotpy 6mo agoWith an Anthropic engineer salary netting them about $200 per hour, yeah. Multiple people from Anthropic got eyes on this and saw it was no biggy. It makes sense if you understand, to their eyes, that $200 is more like $10.
- throwway120385 6mo agoYou're totally right! Please refer to paragraph 213 of your service agreement, in which you agree to binding arbitration with an arbiter of our choosing at your cost. I hope this answers all of your questions! Have a wonderful day!
- ep103 6mo agoNot legally enforceable, but absolutely something that it would say in order to dissuade you from going to small claims court
- hvb2 6mo agoJust saying, small claims court is a farce. You can win, and then the losing side just ignores the verdict. Then you can go back and figure out how to get your money, depending on the business this might be really hard. And this isn't a hypothetical. I have had this and never seen any of the money from the judgement....
- massysett 6mo agoI sat in small claims court one day to watch. A plaintiff won a judgment. He asked the judge: “what do I do now?” The judge replied: “well, if you’re reading the paper one day and see ‘defendant wins the Powerball,’ then you know exactly what to do.”
- mothballed 6mo agoI've heard of people putting a lien on stuff like the employee's desks and chairs and then they surprise pikachu when the sheriff shows up and the assholes that didn't pay it have nowhere to sit. No idea if it's true, but it was convincing.
- kentm 6mo agoThere was a Daily Show skit about this: https://vimeo.com/44985418 https://vimeo.com/44985418
- tardedmeme 6mo agoThis sounds like the "can't squeeze blood from a stone" principle. If they don't have anything, you can't get it from them. But if they do have something and just won't give it to you, there are other ways to escalate. Noncompliance with a court order is one of the worst situations to be in, because a court can order almost anything to coerce compliance, including getting your bank to just send the money to the plaintiff, freezing your bank accounts, sending a sheriff to take your assets, or putting you in jail for an unlimited time until you comply - this last one often happens when cryptocurrency is involved so the court can't actually seize it. They'll just jail you until you give it up. I think the longest contempt of court time was 20ish years.
- cyberax 6mo agoJFYI, small claims are exempt from arbitration.
- boh 6mo agoI don't think you even need to go that far. Just refute the charges with your credit card. Very high likelihood of a successful refund since they already acknowledged their error in writing.
- true_religion 6mo agoCan companies decide not to serve you on the basis of a successful lawsuit you had against them? If not, then it might be better to go the small claims court route.
- Arainach 6mo agoThere's a fundamental power imbalance: if you do this to any service, they will likely ban your account. So the monetary reward has to be enough to merit moving all your data and workflows off them in advance and never using them again.