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Shouldn’t UAE be upset their entire economy has absolutely rammed by the war started by Israel? At least the Saudis have pipelines - UAE is fucked

stogot 5mo ago
UAE is the third largest producer in OPEC, and has options to avoid the straight, yet Their economy recently get shocked though by the war they wanted to avoid
- checker659 5mo ago
  strait
grumple 5mo ago
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- huntertwo 5mo ago
  Even when Israel strikes first, someone else started it. Brilliant!
  - grumple 5mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_confl...
    - huntertwo 5mo ago
      First paragraph > On 1 April, Israel bombed an Iranian consulate complex in Damascus, Syria, killing multiple senior Iranian officials.[28] In response, Iran and its Axis of Resistance allies seized the Israeli-linked ship MSC Aries and launched strikes inside Israel on 13 April.[6] Not to mention, Israeli occupations in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank. Iran is not the only bad actor.
      - grumple 5mo ago
        Yes, they hit the building in Syria where Iran and proxy military leadership were meeting two weeks prior. That’s a lot different than attacking another country directly, let alone recklessly targeting civilians as Iran has in every attack they’ve led or had proxies lead. And it's really important that you understand this was after 45 years of proxy warfare by the Islamic regime against Israel, which resulted in tens of thousands of Israeli dead. This was entirely instigated by the Islamic regime - Iran was friendly with Israel prior to the Islamic revolution. Israel did not pick the fight with Iran, Iran picked the fight with Israel and has maintained it for decades because it drives support for their regime - the holy war is great motivation for the cultists.
    - stogot 5mo ago
      That’s 2024, you said the proxies started it in 2023?
      - breppp 5mo ago
        https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-trained-in-iran-before-oct-7-attacks-e2a8dbb9 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-trained... https://israel-alma.org/special-report-for-years-iran-planned-a-simultaneous-invasion-of-israel-only-one-was-carried-out/ https://israel-alma.org/special-report-for-years-iran-planne... There was extensive planning for a multi front attack including Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. The story of this war is the previous idea in Israel that you could work out with an extremely religious enemy at the border as underneath their claiming to want to destroy you, they are rational. After Hamas decided to go on a national suicide for no achievement except for a single day of an orgy of violence and the complete destruction of gaza, that view has changed. This puts Hezbollah similar to Hamas, and their patron Iran ballistic and nuclear weapon program in a different light, and makes preemptive strikes and the complete destruction of the Iranian Axis (largely successful) as an important goal for Israel
      - grumple 5mo ago
        Yes, this was about the direct strikes between Iran and Israel. I assumed you were aware of the most widely publicized conflict in human history, but just in case you’re serious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks
  - sysguest 5mo ago
    hmm isn't the whole thing a continuation of "revenge against hamas's attack on Oct 7th 2023" ? hamas being a proxy to iran, I don't get why people think iran as some "peace loving, innocent country" well, are they? raping/killing some *foreigners* and displaying their bodies as parade... well that's not very "peace loving and innocent" is it?
    - huntertwo 5mo ago
      When you make a ceasefire and then strike first, that’s called being the aggressor. How many civilians has Israel killed since oct 7? When is it enough? Israel killed >50k civilians since October 7 between all the conflicts Revenge is not a justification for destroying civilizations. Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge.
      - sysguest 5mo ago
        > Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge. well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? > When you make a ceasefire and then strike first well that's between trump and iran? did netanyahu agree? I agree that netanyahu is being a dick here: he should have focused on iran, instead of invading lebanon. That alone is a huge political/PR mistake but... how's that ceasefire related? is israel a proxy of usa? does Trump control israel directly? Ethically, the israel politicians goes at great length NOT to damage civilians: the walkie-talkie bomb is a classic example of "try to kill all the militants WITHOUT carpet bombing" (though they failed to "kill all" with that scheme, and... well they did bomb a lot after that)
        justsomehnguy 5mo ago
        > well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? Ah, this is where you draw the line?
        sysguest 5mo ago
  - UltraSane 5mo ago
    Iran has been using Hezbollah to attack Israel for over 30 years now. The explicit goal of Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas is the destruction of Israel.
    - b345 5mo ago
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      - grumple 5mo ago
        Israel only ended up in Lebanon due to PLO attacks from Lebanon. Hezbollah is responsible for the deaths of nearly a million Lebanese and Syrians. They are much better at killing other Arabs than Israelis. They are a tool for Shia clerics and Iran, not a legitimate force for good in any way.
      - UltraSane 5mo ago
        "Hezbollah was created to stop illegal Israeli occupation of Lebanon" Hezbollah fires thousands of rockets at Israel civilians. They actually murdered 12 Syrian Druze children playing soccer because they just love firing rockets so indiscriminately at Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdal_Shams_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdal_Shams_attack
  - fortran77 5mo ago
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    - franczesko 5mo ago
      You don't have to support Iran, to condemn Israel.
      - razster 5mo ago
        Agreed. One doesn’t dictate the other’s signal—step away from the monitor, let the noise fade, and you’ll notice they’re running on parallel tracks.
    - razster 5mo ago
      This sentiment strikes me as somewhat beneath the usual caliber I see here. Perhaps it would serve you well to step away from the keyboard for a while: take a walk, grab a drink at a bar, enjoy a quiet evening, and allow some real-world perspective to settle in.
      - fortran77 5mo ago
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    - DaSHacka 5mo ago
      Lol you mean until two years from now, when tides will inevitably shift? The so-called "Zion-don" won't be in office forever, despite what he seems to believe. Look at the polling. The current U.S. stance on Iran and Israel is extremely unpopular. It's only a matter of time before a natural course correction occurs, and the voters' voice is heard, whether at the upcoming midterms or the next presidential election. And let me tell you, if you think HN is bad, you better not check Zoomer social media.
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_DeadFred_ 5mo ago
davidf18 your post (and all your recent posts) is flagged dead.
wdr1 5mo ago
> Shouldn’t UAE be upset their entire economy has absolutely rammed by the war started by Israel? It's pretty convoluted logic to blame Israel for Iran attacking the UAE.
- KingOfCoders 5mo ago
  The problems the UAE has are not based on Iran attacking the UAE but Iran closing the Strait - which is a direct and foreseeable result of Israel attacking Iran.
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  - elcritch 5mo ago
    The US and Israel attacking Iran. Also with the Saudis heavily lobbying Trump to do it as well. The Saudi crown prince wants Trump to continue the war still. 1: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-israel-attack-iran-iran-israel-tensions-news-explosion-in-tehran-saudi-prince-called-donald-trump-to-strike-iran-despite-public-push-for-peace-repo-11153456/amp/1 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-israel-attack-iran-iran-i... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/us/politics/saudi-prince-iran-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/us/politics/saudi-prince-...
    - bfivyvysj 5mo ago
      Careful, you'll break its world view.
      - KingOfCoders 5mo ago
        Mentalist, huh?
    - basilgohar 5mo ago
jmyeet 5mo ago
It's more complex than that. Saudi Arabia has the East-West Pipeline [1] that takes ~7Mbpd (million barrels per day) of oil to Red Sea ports to avoid the Strait of Hormuz. They were already using it so there's not a lot of extra capacity they can get out. If we continue up the escalation ladder, the next big risk is that the Houthis close Bab al-Mandab, which is a not-quite-as-narrow but still vulnerable chokepoint to the Red Sea. The UAE has the ADCOP (Abu Dhabi Cross Oil Pipeline) [2], which takes ~1.8Mbpd to the Gulf of Oman. This is beyond the Strait of Hormuz but not that far so technically is still vulnerable to drone attacks (in particular) from Iran if, again, we climb the escalation ladder. The real issue is American security guarantees to GCC nations have been shown to be an illusion. Heck, the US can't protect their own bases in the region. Also, the US can't protect maritime traffic through the Strait. I mean this is in all seriousness: there is no military solution to this problem short of the use of nuclear weapons. That means we are now in a situation where the US has to either split with Israel and offer Iran significantly better terms than they had before the war, likely including the lfiting of economic sanctions, or the US has to sit and watch the world plunge into recession and Asian countries in particular are going to burn. And who knows what a prolonged impasse will do to Europe, particularly come winter. So far, the US seems to prefer letting the world burn rather thans plitting with Israel. A protection racket ceases to be a protection racket if it no longer offers protection. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Crude_Oil_Pipeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Crude_Oil_Pi... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habshan%E2%80%93Fujairah_oil_pipeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habshan%E2%80%93Fujairah_oil_p...
- ajross 5mo ago
  > Asian countries in particular are going to burn They won't sit still, though. Eventually, if this were tried, we'd see Chinese-flagged tankers buying passage rights from Iran and being escorted by PLAN ships. No way does Commander TACO take that shot. The US interdiction threat in the gulf is empty, and everyone know it. Iran gets paid at the end of every story. The whole boondoggle has been a failure for the US in every analysis.
  - bigfatkitten 5mo ago
csomar 5mo ago
The UAE is over-collateralized. They can sustain such a conflict for a very long time.
nailer 5mo ago
Iran started the war. They threatened the USA funded Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis. The US decided to respond but that’s more a surprise they didn’t do something earlier.
- bdangubic 5mo ago
  totally. iran’s navy was advancing towards us east coast, their bombers were getting ready to fly over the atlantic and rain down on us heavily. we were all sitting here scared shitless of iran :)
  - nailer 5mo ago
    It only takes one nuke and they hit targets 4000 in their recent missile attacks.
    - bdangubic 5mo ago
      yes, this also makes sense, they will deploy a nuke (which they don't have and never will have) knowing fully well that this will cause full and total destructions of their country and all of their citizens. c'mon mate, be real :)
- basilgohar 5mo ago
  When your opponent in an argument is this disconnected from reality, that's when you realizing engaging rationally is fruitless. This is just hasbara propaganda and Zionist lies and it has no place in a civil discussion.
  - nailer 5mo ago
    > When your opponent in an argument is this disconnected from reality, that's when you realizing engaging rationally is fruitless. Yes precisely. > This is just hasbara propaganda and Zionist lies and it has no place in a civil discussion. Oh I thought you meant the Islamist propaganda. Iran threatening the US, funding Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are documented facts. Iran even wanted a ceasefire against Hezbollah in the recent negotations. And Jewish people deserve to be able to live in their own homeland, thinking otherwise is racist.

stogot 5mo ago

UAE is the third largest producer in OPEC, and has options to avoid the straight, yet Their economy recently get shocked though by the war they wanted to avoid

checker659 5mo ago
strait

grumple 5mo ago

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huntertwo 5mo ago
Even when Israel strikes first, someone else started it. Brilliant!
- grumple 5mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_confl...
  - huntertwo 5mo ago
    First paragraph > On 1 April, Israel bombed an Iranian consulate complex in Damascus, Syria, killing multiple senior Iranian officials.[28] In response, Iran and its Axis of Resistance allies seized the Israeli-linked ship MSC Aries and launched strikes inside Israel on 13 April.[6] Not to mention, Israeli occupations in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank. Iran is not the only bad actor.
    - grumple 5mo ago
      Yes, they hit the building in Syria where Iran and proxy military leadership were meeting two weeks prior. That’s a lot different than attacking another country directly, let alone recklessly targeting civilians as Iran has in every attack they’ve led or had proxies lead. And it's really important that you understand this was after 45 years of proxy warfare by the Islamic regime against Israel, which resulted in tens of thousands of Israeli dead. This was entirely instigated by the Islamic regime - Iran was friendly with Israel prior to the Islamic revolution. Israel did not pick the fight with Iran, Iran picked the fight with Israel and has maintained it for decades because it drives support for their regime - the holy war is great motivation for the cultists.
  - stogot 5mo ago
    That’s 2024, you said the proxies started it in 2023?
    - breppp 5mo ago
      https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-trained-in-iran-before-oct-7-attacks-e2a8dbb9 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-trained... https://israel-alma.org/special-report-for-years-iran-planned-a-simultaneous-invasion-of-israel-only-one-was-carried-out/ https://israel-alma.org/special-report-for-years-iran-planne... There was extensive planning for a multi front attack including Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. The story of this war is the previous idea in Israel that you could work out with an extremely religious enemy at the border as underneath their claiming to want to destroy you, they are rational. After Hamas decided to go on a national suicide for no achievement except for a single day of an orgy of violence and the complete destruction of gaza, that view has changed. This puts Hezbollah similar to Hamas, and their patron Iran ballistic and nuclear weapon program in a different light, and makes preemptive strikes and the complete destruction of the Iranian Axis (largely successful) as an important goal for Israel
    - grumple 5mo ago
      Yes, this was about the direct strikes between Iran and Israel. I assumed you were aware of the most widely publicized conflict in human history, but just in case you’re serious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks
- sysguest 5mo ago
  hmm isn't the whole thing a continuation of "revenge against hamas's attack on Oct 7th 2023" ? hamas being a proxy to iran, I don't get why people think iran as some "peace loving, innocent country" well, are they? raping/killing some *foreigners* and displaying their bodies as parade... well that's not very "peace loving and innocent" is it?
  - huntertwo 5mo ago
    When you make a ceasefire and then strike first, that’s called being the aggressor. How many civilians has Israel killed since oct 7? When is it enough? Israel killed >50k civilians since October 7 between all the conflicts Revenge is not a justification for destroying civilizations. Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge.
    - sysguest 5mo ago
      > Israelis also rape, kill, and do other vile things to prisoners, innocent or guilty, who they imprison with or without charge. well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? > When you make a ceasefire and then strike first well that's between trump and iran? did netanyahu agree? I agree that netanyahu is being a dick here: he should have focused on iran, instead of invading lebanon. That alone is a huge political/PR mistake but... how's that ceasefire related? is israel a proxy of usa? does Trump control israel directly? Ethically, the israel politicians goes at great length NOT to damage civilians: the walkie-talkie bomb is a classic example of "try to kill all the militants WITHOUT carpet bombing" (though they failed to "kill all" with that scheme, and... well they did bomb a lot after that)
      - justsomehnguy 5mo ago
        > well but do israelis parade their dead rape victims openly? Ah, this is where you draw the line?
        sysguest 5mo ago
- UltraSane 5mo ago
  Iran has been using Hezbollah to attack Israel for over 30 years now. The explicit goal of Iran, Hezbollah, and Hamas is the destruction of Israel.
  - b345 5mo ago
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    - grumple 5mo ago
      Israel only ended up in Lebanon due to PLO attacks from Lebanon. Hezbollah is responsible for the deaths of nearly a million Lebanese and Syrians. They are much better at killing other Arabs than Israelis. They are a tool for Shia clerics and Iran, not a legitimate force for good in any way.
    - UltraSane 5mo ago
      "Hezbollah was created to stop illegal Israeli occupation of Lebanon" Hezbollah fires thousands of rockets at Israel civilians. They actually murdered 12 Syrian Druze children playing soccer because they just love firing rockets so indiscriminately at Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdal_Shams_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majdal_Shams_attack
- fortran77 5mo ago
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  - franczesko 5mo ago
    You don't have to support Iran, to condemn Israel.
    - razster 5mo ago
      Agreed. One doesn’t dictate the other’s signal—step away from the monitor, let the noise fade, and you’ll notice they’re running on parallel tracks.
  - razster 5mo ago
    This sentiment strikes me as somewhat beneath the usual caliber I see here. Perhaps it would serve you well to step away from the keyboard for a while: take a walk, grab a drink at a bar, enjoy a quiet evening, and allow some real-world perspective to settle in.
    - fortran77 5mo ago
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  - DaSHacka 5mo ago
    Lol you mean until two years from now, when tides will inevitably shift? The so-called "Zion-don" won't be in office forever, despite what he seems to believe. Look at the polling. The current U.S. stance on Iran and Israel is extremely unpopular. It's only a matter of time before a natural course correction occurs, and the voters' voice is heard, whether at the upcoming midterms or the next presidential election. And let me tell you, if you think HN is bad, you better not check Zoomer social media.
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_DeadFred_ 5mo ago

davidf18 your post (and all your recent posts) is flagged dead.

wdr1 5mo ago

> Shouldn’t UAE be upset their entire economy has absolutely rammed by the war started by Israel? It's pretty convoluted logic to blame Israel for Iran attacking the UAE.

KingOfCoders 5mo ago
The problems the UAE has are not based on Iran attacking the UAE but Iran closing the Strait - which is a direct and foreseeable result of Israel attacking Iran.
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- elcritch 5mo ago
  The US and Israel attacking Iran. Also with the Saudis heavily lobbying Trump to do it as well. The Saudi crown prince wants Trump to continue the war still. 1: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-israel-attack-iran-iran-israel-tensions-news-explosion-in-tehran-saudi-prince-called-donald-trump-to-strike-iran-despite-public-push-for-peace-repo-11153456/amp/1 https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-israel-attack-iran-iran-i... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/us/politics/saudi-prince-iran-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/us/politics/saudi-prince-...
  - bfivyvysj 5mo ago
    Careful, you'll break its world view.
    - KingOfCoders 5mo ago
      Mentalist, huh?
  - basilgohar 5mo ago

jmyeet 5mo ago

It's more complex than that. Saudi Arabia has the East-West Pipeline [1] that takes ~7Mbpd (million barrels per day) of oil to Red Sea ports to avoid the Strait of Hormuz. They were already using it so there's not a lot of extra capacity they can get out. If we continue up the escalation ladder, the next big risk is that the Houthis close Bab al-Mandab, which is a not-quite-as-narrow but still vulnerable chokepoint to the Red Sea. The UAE has the ADCOP (Abu Dhabi Cross Oil Pipeline) [2], which takes ~1.8Mbpd to the Gulf of Oman. This is beyond the Strait of Hormuz but not that far so technically is still vulnerable to drone attacks (in particular) from Iran if, again, we climb the escalation ladder. The real issue is American security guarantees to GCC nations have been shown to be an illusion. Heck, the US can't protect their own bases in the region. Also, the US can't protect maritime traffic through the Strait. I mean this is in all seriousness: there is no military solution to this problem short of the use of nuclear weapons. That means we are now in a situation where the US has to either split with Israel and offer Iran significantly better terms than they had before the war, likely including the lfiting of economic sanctions, or the US has to sit and watch the world plunge into recession and Asian countries in particular are going to burn. And who knows what a prolonged impasse will do to Europe, particularly come winter. So far, the US seems to prefer letting the world burn rather thans plitting with Israel. A protection racket ceases to be a protection racket if it no longer offers protection. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Crude_Oil_Pipeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Crude_Oil_Pi... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habshan%E2%80%93Fujairah_oil_pipeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habshan%E2%80%93Fujairah_oil_p...

ajross 5mo ago
> Asian countries in particular are going to burn They won't sit still, though. Eventually, if this were tried, we'd see Chinese-flagged tankers buying passage rights from Iran and being escorted by PLAN ships. No way does Commander TACO take that shot. The US interdiction threat in the gulf is empty, and everyone know it. Iran gets paid at the end of every story. The whole boondoggle has been a failure for the US in every analysis.
- bigfatkitten 5mo ago

csomar 5mo ago

The UAE is over-collateralized. They can sustain such a conflict for a very long time.

nailer 5mo ago

Iran started the war. They threatened the USA funded Hamas and Hezbollah and the Houthis. The US decided to respond but that’s more a surprise they didn’t do something earlier.

bdangubic 5mo ago
totally. iran’s navy was advancing towards us east coast, their bombers were getting ready to fly over the atlantic and rain down on us heavily. we were all sitting here scared shitless of iran :)
- nailer 5mo ago
  It only takes one nuke and they hit targets 4000 in their recent missile attacks.
  - bdangubic 5mo ago
    yes, this also makes sense, they will deploy a nuke (which they don't have and never will have) knowing fully well that this will cause full and total destructions of their country and all of their citizens. c'mon mate, be real :)
basilgohar 5mo ago
When your opponent in an argument is this disconnected from reality, that's when you realizing engaging rationally is fruitless. This is just hasbara propaganda and Zionist lies and it has no place in a civil discussion.
- nailer 5mo ago
  > When your opponent in an argument is this disconnected from reality, that's when you realizing engaging rationally is fruitless. Yes precisely. > This is just hasbara propaganda and Zionist lies and it has no place in a civil discussion. Oh I thought you meant the Islamist propaganda. Iran threatening the US, funding Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are documented facts. Iran even wanted a ceasefire against Hezbollah in the recent negotations. And Jewish people deserve to be able to live in their own homeland, thinking otherwise is racist.