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Since they are served as distinct events then I would think they should be easy to block. Once the ads are injected directly into the main response is when thi

by WD-42 6mo ago

Since they are served as distinct events then I would think they should be easy to block. Once the ads are injected directly into the main response is when things get interesting.

lmbbuchodi 6mo ago
you can block these URLs: |bzrcdn.openai.com^, ||bzr.openai.com^ It won't blanket block everything but will significantly reduce telemetry collected.
- nazcan 6mo ago
  And that's why you gotta just use one domain. Or mix ads and important content on one domain.
  - sheiyei 6mo ago
    No, wrong lesson. That's why you use UBlock Origin.
kardos 6mo ago
> Once the ads are injected directly into the main response is when things get interesting. This would be where you post-process the LLM response with a second LLM to remove the ad..
- tempest_ 6mo ago
  This is already how email works in the corporate world. A writes email with chatgpt to B. B sees big blob of text and summarizes email with chatgpt. Adding an LLM in the middle is just the next step.
  - torben-friis 6mo ago
    It's like one of those memes about the worst possible date picker, except for a communication system.
- naruhodo 6mo ago
  I think it will be difficult to remove bias when you ask a model to compare alternative products. The model will simply lie, as with a biased human opinion and you will need to consult multiple models for a diversity of opinion and presumably use a "trusted" model to fuse the results. Anonymity will be a key tool in reducing the model's ability to engage in algorithmic pricing. Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.
  - normie3000 6mo ago
    > will simply lie, as with a biased human opinion Is this really how bias works?
    - inetknght 6mo ago
      Oh no. Definitely not. Humans would never just lie. They always lie only if they're biased. That is, after all, the definition of how a bias works. /s
      - naruhodo 6mo ago
        I'm using bias to mean hidden motivations to the benefit of other parties. Feel free to substitute a better word. EDIT: actually I'm really not sure what hairs we're trying to split here. I see bias as a departure from objectivity. It can be conscious or unconscious, but when someone is selling something, it's frequently conscious and self-serving, and I believe that's referred to as a lie.
    - michaelt 6mo ago
      Writers have many options to deceive their audience without outright lying. If a journalist is given an all-expenses-paid trip to an exotic location for the launch of a new product, and they review the product and say it's great - are they lying? If a reviewer writes an article comparing certain types of product, but their review only includes products where affiliate links pay a 10% commission - are they lying? If a journalist is vaguely aware of rumours about newsworthy, under-reported Event X but also that their publication has a big sponsorship deal with folks that Event X makes look bad, and they don't investigate the rumours or report on them - are they lying? If a reviewer hears a claim from X, and they report the claim credulously, without adding the context that X has a history making false claims - are they lying?
- ihsw 6mo ago
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- devmor 6mo ago
  Then you just end up in an arms race that ultimately leads to photocopy-of-a-photocopy output.
- mihaaly 6mo ago
  ... and replace it with two.
TZubiri 6mo ago
Blocking transparent ads is not a good idea. The consequence is that you will be fed opaque ads.
- estimator7292 6mo ago
  What possible reason could they have to not always run both? It would make zero sense to leave that money on the table
  - TZubiri 6mo ago
    It's simpler to do one thing than to do two. You make a choice and you do that. Could they be doing opaque ads right now and we wouldn't know? It's possible, that will probably eventually come to light and it might have legal consequences, but sure it's possible. But it's not a given, and your logic of "it would make zero sense to leave money on the table" is certainly not a QED, it's absolute reductionism.
    - duskdozer 6mo ago
      It sounds rational then to block as many non-opaque ads as possible, because that isn't their preferred choice.
    - Timon3 6mo ago
      It's even simpler to do zero things than to do one thing, so we should expect them not to introduce any ads, right? "Simplicity" isn't a relevant factor.
- saghm 6mo ago
  I don't buy this premise. Nothing stops a company from trying to hide ads in the first place, and plenty of them do. Ad blockers for web content have been a thing for years, and using an ad blocker has continued to be strictly a better experience regardless of how many "organic" ads are present on a page.
  - 6mo ago

by WD-42 6mo ago

Since they are served as distinct events then I would think they should be easy to block. Once the ads are injected directly into the main response is when things get interesting.

lmbbuchodi 6mo ago

you can block these URLs: |bzrcdn.openai.com^, ||bzr.openai.com^ It won't blanket block everything but will significantly reduce telemetry collected.

nazcan 6mo ago
And that's why you gotta just use one domain. Or mix ads and important content on one domain.
- sheiyei 6mo ago
  No, wrong lesson. That's why you use UBlock Origin.

kardos 6mo ago

> Once the ads are injected directly into the main response is when things get interesting. This would be where you post-process the LLM response with a second LLM to remove the ad..

tempest_ 6mo ago
This is already how email works in the corporate world. A writes email with chatgpt to B. B sees big blob of text and summarizes email with chatgpt. Adding an LLM in the middle is just the next step.
- torben-friis 6mo ago
  It's like one of those memes about the worst possible date picker, except for a communication system.
naruhodo 6mo ago
I think it will be difficult to remove bias when you ask a model to compare alternative products. The model will simply lie, as with a biased human opinion and you will need to consult multiple models for a diversity of opinion and presumably use a "trusted" model to fuse the results. Anonymity will be a key tool in reducing the model's ability to engage in algorithmic pricing. Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.
- normie3000 6mo ago
  > will simply lie, as with a biased human opinion Is this really how bias works?
  - inetknght 6mo ago
    Oh no. Definitely not. Humans would never just lie. They always lie only if they're biased. That is, after all, the definition of how a bias works. /s
    - naruhodo 6mo ago
      I'm using bias to mean hidden motivations to the benefit of other parties. Feel free to substitute a better word. EDIT: actually I'm really not sure what hairs we're trying to split here. I see bias as a departure from objectivity. It can be conscious or unconscious, but when someone is selling something, it's frequently conscious and self-serving, and I believe that's referred to as a lie.
  - michaelt 6mo ago
    Writers have many options to deceive their audience without outright lying. If a journalist is given an all-expenses-paid trip to an exotic location for the launch of a new product, and they review the product and say it's great - are they lying? If a reviewer writes an article comparing certain types of product, but their review only includes products where affiliate links pay a 10% commission - are they lying? If a journalist is vaguely aware of rumours about newsworthy, under-reported Event X but also that their publication has a big sponsorship deal with folks that Event X makes look bad, and they don't investigate the rumours or report on them - are they lying? If a reviewer hears a claim from X, and they report the claim credulously, without adding the context that X has a history making false claims - are they lying?
ihsw 6mo ago
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devmor 6mo ago
Then you just end up in an arms race that ultimately leads to photocopy-of-a-photocopy output.
mihaaly 6mo ago
... and replace it with two.

TZubiri 6mo ago

Blocking transparent ads is not a good idea. The consequence is that you will be fed opaque ads.

estimator7292 6mo ago
What possible reason could they have to not always run both? It would make zero sense to leave that money on the table
- TZubiri 6mo ago
  It's simpler to do one thing than to do two. You make a choice and you do that. Could they be doing opaque ads right now and we wouldn't know? It's possible, that will probably eventually come to light and it might have legal consequences, but sure it's possible. But it's not a given, and your logic of "it would make zero sense to leave money on the table" is certainly not a QED, it's absolute reductionism.
  - duskdozer 6mo ago
    It sounds rational then to block as many non-opaque ads as possible, because that isn't their preferred choice.
  - Timon3 6mo ago
    It's even simpler to do zero things than to do one thing, so we should expect them not to introduce any ads, right? "Simplicity" isn't a relevant factor.
saghm 6mo ago
I don't buy this premise. Nothing stops a company from trying to hide ads in the first place, and plenty of them do. Ad blockers for web content have been a thing for years, and using an ad blocker has continued to be strictly a better experience regardless of how many "organic" ads are present on a page.
- 6mo ago